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Old August 15th 16, 09:08 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
John B.[_6_]
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Default The high cost of mountain biking!

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 23:12:44 -0500, "EdwardDolan"

"John B." wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 21:15:34 -0500, "EdwardDolan"

"John B." wrote in message
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Nope. The Mountain Bikers are real. Out there in the mud and the crud,

getting rained on when it is wet and covered with snow in the winter

In other words destroying the trails for all except themselves. See the
Great Mike Vandeman, Ph.D., for how bikes destroy trails, most especially
when ridden in wet conditions. My God, you are not only a fool, but a dumb

Ah, the great Vandeman, the convicted criminal. (and yes I know that

he later did some squirming and arse kissing and got the record
expurgated and now threatens people that mention it)

Convicted of nothing. Mr.Vandeman is NOT a public figure and is therefore
entitled to sue for libel.

But worshiping a criminal? Who is your next hero? "Ted" Kaczynski?

After all he held a doctorate and was a professor at Beckley, must be
an important guy. Was Vandiman a professor?

Acquiring a Ph.D is not an easy thing to do. But what would a dumbbell like
you know about that.

The so called "treckers" are all living in their modified realism,

huddled in the shade and worrying about whether there will be a
toilet cubical available when the urge is felt.

You must be describing yourself here.

You are the one that claimed to have spent 10 years roaming the trails

and you are the one that stated that you treckers didn't want the
pristine wilderness but a civilized version of that. No mosquitoes, no
mountain bikes, no mountain lions and indoor toilets.

Is there something wrong with civilization? The only pristine wilderness is
on other planets where no man has trod. We have already established that man
has been everywhere on this planet. Wilderness that approximates a state of
nature is good enough for everyone - except apparently for fools like you.
You need to make a better argument for permitting bikes on trails other than
arguing for a pristine wilderness to justify desecrations of less than
pristine wilderness.

And you are the guy that admitted that you and your so called treckers

are the ones that destroyed the pristine wilderness by building paths
and trails so that you didn't have to actually experience that

Mankind has been trespassing all over the globe since he came out of Africa.
No part of the earth has been untouched by mankind - except large portions
of Antarctica. One can experience a wilderness with it having to be

In other words, you don't want realism you want some watered down,

effete, version and you don't want any one else to impinge on your
reality by actually riding a mountain bike through it.

One can experience a wilderness with it having to be pristine, but a
wilderness will no longer be a wilderness if mountain bikes and motorcycles
are whizzing through it.

In short, all I'm doing is repeating stuff you said yourself.... and

now you are disparaging the statements that you originally made.

I have never been a purist about anything in my life. I can talk about
wilderness and its values without it having to be pristine. Obviously, you

In short, you have provided no justification for permitting bikes on trails
in wilderness settings. All you have done is present some juvenile sophistry
that fools nobody, least of all me.

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. Whatís the matter? Canít walk?

Ed Dolan the Great Ė Minnesota

Well, back again with your fantasies. What do they call it? Of yes,
"augmented reality". Of course that is an oxymoron as reality can't be
augmented, but I suppose it sounds a lot more technical than "Pipe
Dream", or "dumb ass dream", which would otherwise apply to you and
the other trekkers in their artificial "primitive" forest.

I mean, standing around with the trekking boots and the trekking pole
and the trekking jacket and the trekking pants, saying "Where's the
path?" "It can't be that dirt path there. Why that is all muddy and
I'll mess up the shine on my boots".

Than the Mountain Bikers come by all covered with mud and mire and
everybody has an excuse that they need to go home and watch TV. "Oh!
We can't trek now the trail is all messed up".

No "trekkers" here just a bunch of effete fools.

John B.


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