AMuzi wrote:
On 7/27/2014 5:07 AM, Tremayne A Higby wrote:
On Fri, 23 May 2014 12:10:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:

More benefits of being visible, at lane center:

A paper from Australia notes that car-bike crashes in roundabouts seem
to occur mostly when cyclists stick to the edge and aren't noticed by
motorists. They recommend that any bike lanes end well before the
roundabout, and that cyclists ride in a very visible position, near the
center of the roundabout. (They're talking about single-lane
roundabouts, I'm sure.)

The abstract link came from a friend in Oz. Full disclosu I haven't
yet read the paper itself.

https://www.onlinepublications.austr...ems/AP-R461-14

In France, we bicycled (and drove) through many, many roundabouts
without problems. Only in Troyes did we see bike lanes painted in the
outer edge of roundabouts. Troyes also had many other hare-brained
"innovative" bike facilities. I'm sure the town was very proud of them.


I'm in different about bikers, but when I see one encroaching on the
white line, I will encroach
right back. You're risking my life by being a road hazard. I don't take
that lightly. You're not a
motor vehicle, so don't expect to be treated like one. You're road debris in the way.

100% stay out of the way because you don't own the road, nor do you pay
any taxes on your cycle to
suggest you have a right to drive on the inside of the white line.
You're not doing anyone a favor,
other than yourself, by riding your bike.

Don't expect me to feel that I have to recognize you as anything other
than a self entitled ninny.



You "encroach right back" while riding your bicycle? I've done that too,
especially for wrong-way riders in my lane while sporting locked elbows
and my icy stare of death.

Doing that to a cyclist while in your car is highly irresponsible to the
point of possible criminality. You ought to ponder the catastrophic
effects of minor errors before doing that again.


What cracks me up is this idea that if you're on a bike you don't pay
taxes. Even if you only ride a bike and don't own a car - something that
would put you in the minority in North America - you likely still pay
taxes. My property tax pays for municipal roads for example.

Given that this statement comes from someone who thinks it's his right to
run over road users that he thinks don't pay for the privilege I doubt the
he ponders the effects of his minor errors nor much of anything else.
--
duane