On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:10:07 +0000 (UTC), Duane wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
On 7/27/2014 5:07 AM, Tremayne A Higby wrote:
On Fri, 23 May 2014 12:10:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

More benefits of being visible, at lane center:

A paper from Australia notes that car-bike crashes in roundabouts
seem to occur mostly when cyclists stick to the edge and aren't
noticed by motorists. They recommend that any bike lanes end well
before the roundabout, and that cyclists ride in a very visible
position, near the center of the roundabout. (They're talking
about single-lane roundabouts, I'm sure.)

The abstract link came from a friend in Oz. Full disclosu I
haven't yet read the paper itself.

https://www.onlinepublications.austr...ems/AP-R461-14

In France, we bicycled (and drove) through many, many roundabouts
without problems. Only in Troyes did we see bike lanes painted in
the outer edge of roundabouts. Troyes also had many other
hare-brained "innovative" bike facilities. I'm sure the town was
very proud of them.


I'm in different about bikers, but when I see one encroaching on the
white line, I will encroach right back. You're risking my life by
being a road hazard. I don't take that lightly. You're not a motor
vehicle, so don't expect to be treated like one. You're road debris
in the way.

100% stay out of the way because you don't own the road, nor do you
pay any taxes on your cycle to suggest you have a right to drive on
the inside of the white line. You're not doing anyone a favor, other
than yourself, by riding your bike.

Don't expect me to feel that I have to recognize you as anything
other than a self entitled ninny.



You "encroach right back" while riding your bicycle? I've done that
too, especially for wrong-way riders in my lane while sporting locked
elbows and my icy stare of death.

Doing that to a cyclist while in your car is highly irresponsible to
the point of possible criminality. You ought to ponder the
catastrophic effects of minor errors before doing that again.


What cracks me up is this idea that if you're on a bike you don't pay
taxes. Even if you only ride a bike and don't own a car - something
that would put you in the minority in North America - you likely still
pay taxes. My property tax pays for municipal roads for example.

Given that this statement comes from someone who thinks it's his
right to run over road users that he thinks don't pay for the
privilege I doubt the he ponders the effects of his minor errors nor
much of anything else.

Sadly operating a motor vehicle appears to be detrimental to the
intellectual acumen of some.

The tax claim is hilarious. I pay state and federal income taxes, a
portion of which goes to pay for roads. I pay property tax, a portion
of which goes to pay for roads. My wife and I currently own four cars,
paying a variety of taxes associated with those, a portion of which goes
to pay for roads (although a far smaller portion than many seem to
think).

Sometimes I use the roads I pay for in my car, sometimes I use the roads
I pay for on my bike. The idiots who don't understand that can go soak
their heads.