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Old August 12th 17, 08:41 PM posted to
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Default Stress Analysis in the Design of Bicycle Infrastructure

On 2017-08-12 12:18, wrote:
On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 7:45:41 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-11 16:52, sms wrote:
On 8/11/2017 4:37 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 6:54:57 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:

When I had to ride from where I lived in the Netherlands
(Vaals) to Maastricht I could pretty much set my 12-speed
bike on the bike path, put it in 12th gear and hammer those
20 miles. I did the same distance here (Cameron Park to
Folsom) yesterday for an errand. Aside from mixing in with
fast traffic at times which some potentially interested
cyclists don't like I also had to hack it across a dirt field
for half a mile, including crossing a muddy creek and lifting
the bike over some low fences. Hardly anyone would be willing
to do the latter. On the way back it was mostly along a
county road with 55mph traffic, ok but not exactly fun.

-- Regards, Joerg

Lifting a bike over low fences? Sounds a lot like trespassing
onto private land.

What is it with you that you have such difficulty riding where
so mqany others ride without fear? Oh I know, a fw others share
your fears and thus bicycvling is extremely dangerous.

In the area Joerg is referring to, the issue is that not many
others ride, because of fear of riding on US50, a legitimate

Bicycles are not allowed on Hwy 50, that's the key problem. If you want
to go to Intel, Kaiser, Costco, Home Depot et cetera the only way
is to hack it across a field, he

There is now a gate and various habitat fences. I guess they are
fixing to put in developments and a road. Meaning the ride will be
over soon. The only alternative is White Rock Road which is close
to suicidal for a cyclist. Well, then I'll use the car until they
are done, after which hopefully that new road with have a bike lane
because it's going to be a race track.

I would never move to a place like that if I was interested in
transportational cycling.

Sometimes it's good to move somewhere and then help estabishing a
cycling culture, also pushing for an infrastructure. Else it'll
never get expanded.

For cyclists we already have much better options than we did 5-10
years ago. However, one must be able to handle a mountain bike.

We can now ride all the way to Walmart, brewpubs and other places
in Placerville on mostly dirt roads and singletrack though some of
it isn't for the faint of heart. Works for me. I simply adjusted my
spending of money to businesses that can be reached that way. Heck,
even one of my clients and a software engineer I network with are
located directly on that trail.

The downside is that I am going through a lot of rear tires. Oh

Another problem is that when they finish you have to know how to find
your way through residential areas to find the bike paths. The north
side of Mt. Diablo is that way. Also I went with a group up Twin
Peaks in San Francisco and damn if I can find the way again since
those are service roads and not public.

Similar in our area. I recently showed all this stuff to a local
cyclist. He lives here for about five years, longer than I cycle in this
area and he is more hardcore than I am. Does all his grocery shopping
via bike and trailer, things like that. Yet he didn't know those "silent
routes". A lot of times he'd say "Wow, I never knew this was here!".

I found most of this via satellite photos. It's not on any map. Even
when you switch to "Show bike routes" most of the local MTB trails do
not show up at all.

Regards, Joerg

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