On 27 nov, 06:21, Tom Crispin wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 19:16:27 -0800 (PST), Derek C



wrote:
On Nov 27, 12:38 am, PhilO wrote:
On Nov 26, 2:01 pm, JMS wrote:

I see the DfT have published the latest stats for 2009
It is of course of note that if you look at the stats - you will see
that for cars, vans, motorcycles, pedal cycles and pedestrians all
figures (except one) compared with 2008 have gone down.

Which of those figures is the only one to have gone up?

Yep - Killed and seriously injured on a pedal cycle.

It looks like cycling gets more dangerous year on year.

Judith,

Are you deliberately trying to deceive?

TSGB0107 shows pedal cycle Killed decreased from 24 in 2008 to 21 in
2009 - a 12.5% decrease
KSI has increased from 541 to 547 - a 1% increase.

Do you think the 1% change statistically significant?

Why did you fail to report the much larger decrease in cyclist Killed?

And Judith, how did you miss this statistic:

Killed per billion passenger km: Pedal cycle 21, Pedestrian 26.

So, Judith, doesn't that mean you are more likely to die walking a
mile than cycling a mile?

I wondered why you didn't post a link to the data. Did you not want
others to see it? I found it hehttp://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/statistics...ions/modal/pas...

Thanks for letting me know these figures were out.

PhilO

But also note that cycling has a much higher death and serious injury
rate than cars or vans. I make it that cycling is 32 times more
dangerous than motoring, with 547 cycling KSI per billion passenger
kilometres against 17 for cars in 2009. The overall casualty rate for
push bikes is actually quite close to motorcycles 3447 to 3665. The
lower KSI rate is probably only because cyclists tend to have lower
speed accidents than motorcyclists. Despite public perception, the
rate for aviation is pretty close to zero.

In assessing the most dangerous type of vehicle, it would be useful to
know how many cyclists died after a collision with a motor vehicle;
how many cyclists died after a collision with a bicycle; how many
drivers and passengers died after a collision with a motor vehicle;
and how many drivers; and passengers died after a collision with a
bicycle.

Exactly, Chris. There is a danger here that people such as JMS and her
ilk will reach the following conclusion:

"Cycling is dangerous. Cycling should be regulated or banned."

What JMS and others resolutely avoid mentioning is that the danger to
cyclists is predominantly formed by motorised traffic combined with
the pathetic facilities and protection afforded to cyclists by the
British Government. Cycling has become so dangerous in GB that I no
longer train there when visiting: unfortunately the more that adopt my
viewpoint the easier it is for the anti-cycling lobby to argue that
there is little demand for the facilities to which I refer. A self-
fulfilling prophecy if there ever was one.