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Old May 20th 08, 05:08 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike
Ed Pirrero
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Default Comparing relative impacts of various trail user groups--NoSurprise, Hikers and Equestrians Cause More Trail Damage than Mountain Bikers

On May 19, 8:18 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2008 08:43:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero



wrote:
On May 18, 8:44 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:03:44 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero


wrote:
On May 18, 9:14 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:03:21 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero


wrote:
On May 16, 9:39 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2008 11:39:58 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero


wrote:
On May 13, 3:50 pm, SMS wrote:
OK, now it really is getting boring. Yet another article about how
mountain bikers cause less trail damage than hikers and equestrians.


"http://www.americantrails.org/resources/ManageMaintain/WKeenImpacts.html"


Can we finally begin to work on public policy changes that work to
reduce trail impact by reducing the number of hikers and equestrians,
and that encourage more mountain biking? The facts are clear and
indisputable.


There's never been any study that showed more damage from mountain bikes
than from any other non-motorized trail users. You had a lot of hikers
and equestrians not wanting to share trails that they felt they owned by
"being their first" as if that was justification for banning other
users, and they made a lot of outrageous and totally wrong statements
about trail impact.


The issue of trail usage needs to be raised at the highest level of
government. There are many trails in National Parks and National
Recreation Areas that should be open to mountain bikers.


Obviously, the studies and the overview were done by mountain bikers.
Duh.


Yes, but more importantly, they don't tell the truth.


Funny that you didn't quote a single thing that they lied about.


E.P.


Obviously, you didn't read my paper...


Obviously I did, which is irrelevant. You didn't address *this*
article and its cited research. Most of which is not covered in your
"response".


Here is your lie again: "you didn't quote a single thing that they
lied about". Explain why you lied.


Explain where you quoted anything they lied about in the post above,
where you wrote, in its entirety:


"Yes, but more importantly, they don't tell the truth."


Zero text, other than your claim of lying.


E.P.


Thanks for asking:


[snip irrelevant test]

Again, you quote none of what they wrote, nor offer any hard data to
counter it.

Can't live up to your own standards, huh? What a total shock.

E.P.
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