On 2017-09-10 18:25, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 07:46:08 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-09-09 21:41, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 08:28:40 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 8:03:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-09-08 19:08, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 6:52:52 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 9/8/2017 3:06 PM, Joerg wrote:
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Same with the tires BTW. They had 60k miles, still half the tread
but were well past 10 years. Looked good buy common
recommendations state that means it's time to buy new tires. Try
_that_ with a bicycle tire.

60,000 miles on the tires and they still had half the tread left?
Meaning your car tires would last 120,000 miles if they weren't too
old?

Joerg, you need someone to edit your fantastic claims, to give them
at least a _hint_ of plausibility.

Joerg needs to learn that tires have a shelf-life.
http://www.tiresafetygroup.com/tires...-in-six-years/ It's not
just about tread wear.


Age is exactly why I replaced them, as I wrote above. Good quality truck
tries can be pushed past 10 years but not much. It greatly depends on
whether the vehicle sits in the weather and sun all day. Mine doesn't,
it lives in the garage, protected from sunlight and weather. I also gave
the the occasional talc rub.


I defended a death case involving tread separation on a tire that had
more than half its tread left.


It happens. I had it happen on a brand new bicycle tire. Pieces flew off
to the point where I could barely push the bike home. But I had to
because nobody could pick me up on singletrack.


Bicyclists would be outraged if their tire tread fell of and killed
them! I can't believe what car owners put up with. They should make
car tires as durable as bike tires! And for a dollar. No, make that
$.50.


Gatorskin $45, tread completely gone after 2500mi.

Truck tire, $65, tread 50% reduced after 60000mi.

Any questions?

Nashbar City Rambler $9.99. Any questions? https://tinyurl.com/y8qdglvs BTW, your truck tire is about half the price of the tires on my Subaru and hardly typical of a decent all-weather tire from Michelin or other quality tire maker. And the Gatorskin is just over-priced, but then again, the price is based on the market. It's capitalism. Buy something else.

Now, you could go out and buy a hardcase tire that never dies, but it would be like riding on a wagon wheel. Go out and buy some of my Innova studs without the studs. Those are like tank tracks. I hate them.

-- Jay Beattie.

Seriously American truck tires last 120,000 miles? that is nearly
200,000 km.


No. Read more carefully. You shall not run a tire for a street-operated
motor vehicle all the way to zero tread. That can result in a nasty
hydro-planing crash during rain and then you'd be deemed at fault no
matter what, and rightfully so.


Why ever not?


Because if you cause a crash due to hydro-planing you are partially or
fully at fault even if the other driver ran a stop sign. Same as driving
soused. In some countries you can also get an expensive ticket for
riding on bald tires.


... When I was 16 years old I had a car. Not much of a car
I'll admit but I was the only kid in my high school class that actual
had a car of his own. But as part of the deal with my father when he
gave me the car was that I'd maintain it and pay for the everything
myself. I drove on tires that were so worn that the re-capping places
wouldn't take them.


Not everything we did at 16 was smart or legal.


Why did my father gave me the car? Well, because it was essentially
valueless. It had "died" and the junk yard wanted $5.00 to come and
haul it away so my father gave it to me. And I spent the next two
years working days, nights and Sundays to keep it running and put
enough gas in it to drive it Saturday nights.


I got a basket case pretty much for free, fixed it up and drove that car
for six years. Lowest cost of ownership I ever had in any vehicle,
certainly including bicycles.

--
Regards, Joerg

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