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Old December 11th 06, 07:06 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Chris Foster
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Default Another Vandemann Lie!! Actually a number of them. But what else is new?

Mike Vandeman wrote in
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On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 18:38:42 GMT, wizardB wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:52:02 GMT, "JP" wrote:

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 03:52:22 GMT, "JP"
wrote:

wrote in message
ps.com...
Mike Vandeman wrote:
There are several things wrong with Tom Stienstra's approach:


Here's the reference to the original article, entitled Gridlock
in Wild Areas. The article
suggests ways to mitigate user conflicts in recreation areas.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...06/12/03/SPG4O
MO5321.DTL&hw=Tom+Stienstra&sn=001&sc=1000
So where's the lie? (Hint: there aren't any. That's why you didn't
quote any.)
Wrong, you poor wannabe naturalist.
Your unsubstantiated opinion is the LIE.
Yu haven't cited evidence to back any of your claims. Ever.
Your website is not proof.
But you can't help it. There is no evidence that supports any of
your claims.
No legitimate agenmcy will give you the time of day.
That is why your sad little impotent quest gets played out on AMB

1. Citizens have the right to use wilderness areas, our taxes
support them.

Nope, restrictions are allowed. That's why Yosmite National Park
doesn't allow mountain biking.

That use includes two wheeled non-motorized vehicles. I spooked
horses running on trails...LIAR!!!!

2. Hikers have no more right to trails than bikes, regardless of
your opinion.

\Bikes don't habve any rights. Hikers do.

Neither do horses. If an equestrian cannot control their animal
they do not belong in public. LIAR!!!

3. Bikes are no more harmful to the environment than pedestrian
use, in fact hikers like wider trails.

You know that's a lie.

Your continues rants don't make it so. LIAR!!!
4. Mountain bikes don't teach kids to beat on nature, that's
anouther BS LIE.

Yes, they do. That's exactly what they do.

5. Being able to ride a mopuntain bike is not evidence of being
able to walk.
Floyd Landis, who won the TDF, would be unable to walk a mile on a
hiking trail.

So what? He can still walk.

But he could ride them if he wished. Another specious remark by
Lying MIke Vandeman.
And there are thousands like him, with joint damage etc who cannot
hike yet can ride. LIAR!!!

Your biggest LIE of course is the one where you neglect to mention
the damage
caused by equestrian use. HORSES destroy trails!!! But you have
a hard-on for mountain bikes so you will colntinue to LIE!!!


Irrelevant. Horses, like many other animals, evolved in North
America and have a right to be here. Bikes have NO rights.

Once again proving your an idiot horses were brought to North America
by the Spaniards you dolt


Yes, but THE HORSE evolved in North America long before that! DUH!



True, but then died out along with the along with the mammoths and saber-
tooth tigers. The horses of today are not descendants of horses that
were native to North America. Do they still have rights?
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/horses/horse_evol.html

Actually, the US Constitution is the only document that gives US citizens
any 'rights' in the United States. If you think I am wrong, fly to Cuba
and start spewing your bull **** there, see how long you end up in
prison.

Horses are not mentioned in the Constitution, so they don't have any
rights at all.



Mike
To be credible, you need proof/evidance Something not written by
yourself that others agee with

Yawn......did you say something???

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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you
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http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you
are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande



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