On 2018-08-13 19:19, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/13/2018 4:39 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-13 13:12, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-13 11:34, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 10:29:44 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-08-13 08:27, Tanguy Ortolo wrote:
Frank Krygowski, 2018-08-13 17:11+0200:
Nice. If the appearance was bothersome, you could use a black
tube held
in place with black zip ties.

Black tube, yes, if I can find some, but I only ever saw white
tube in
hardware stores. Black zip ties, no, bad idea, as they let the tube
slide on the sides. I would rather use some black tape.

Zip ties are also bad in terms of reliability. It seems UV rays
embrittle them and then they just fall off. A while ago I chased and
stopped an MTB rider whose rear brake hose had come loose because of
that and was chafing on the rear wheel. Luckily I always have a
snippet
of wire in my tool kit. Zip ties, too, but those only for
temporary fixes.

You can buy UV resistant zip ties. They're loaded with carbon black
that blocks UV. However, not all such zip ties are equally resistant
to UV. Some of the cheap junk has much less than the recommended 2%
carbon black. After having an antenna installation fall apart in
about a year due to crumbling zip ties, I bought some that are genuine
Polyamide 6.6 UV resistant per ASTM D-4066PA411. No problems so far
after about 5 years:
https://www.hellermanntyton.us/bundling-securing/cable-ties/standard-cable-ties-special-materials/

https://www.hellermanntyton.us/resources/materials
https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2016/03/not-all-uv-rated-cable-ties-have-long-lifespans-on-solar-projects/



The one that popped was the stock tie from a high-Dollar Specialized
MTB. I can't imagine them being cheap on zip ties. Metal is generally
better.

When I wrote my post above, I considered ending with "Of course,
Joerg would use
hose clamps." Now I'm sorry I resisted that impulse.


No hose clamps, wire :-)

a. Costs less that a cable tie.

Golly, so THAT'S how I can make my retirement money last! "Honey, we
CAN buy a little meat this week, thanks to Joerg!" :-)

b. Lasts almost forever. Well, at least longer than you and I will.

So it's not carbon steel wire? Hmm... titanium? Or just stainless? I
know galvanizing doesn't last forever.


Take a look at an old, old fence somewhere near a ghost town. That's how
it's done.


c. Much less visible.

Oh, so it's black painted wire! But that seems like a bit of fuss.


No, thinner.


d. Leaving the ends longer can provide extra wire for stranded cyclists.

If you want extra wire (to truss up mountain lions?) wouldn't you just
carry some in your bike bag?


They chafe and poke. Not very practical.


Honestly, I do carry something like that in my bike bag. I carry one or
two zip ties. But I don't have any visions of using them to rescue
stranded cyclists. I'm obviously not as heroic as you.


I carry some zip ties, too. I have only helped a few stranded road
bikers but a lot of mountain bikers. Out on the trails stuff breaks.

Some people laughed about my little first aid kit that I also carry.
Only a few weeks after I bought it there was this kid that didn't
realize that Razor scooter wheels aren't MTB wheels, won't go up a curb
and ...

--
Regards, Joerg

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