On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 4:14:05 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-12-04 15:49, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:00:54 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-12-04 12:39, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/4/2017 2:26 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-12-03 14:34, jbeattie wrote:

What is causing this bike market downturn?

It MUST be fake news! You, Joerg, have assured us that by
building bike trails we'd get millions of Americans to give up
their cars forever. And every year, more segregated kiddy paths
have been built. Some cities have doubled their bike mode share,
all the way from 0.2% to 0.4%! That's like a 100% increase!


Sure it is, and for America that is quite big. Weren't you the guy
always touting the health benefits? Calculate the health Dollars
saved here.


So I'm not going to believe any biased communist industry data. I
_know_ bike sales have skyrocketed! Those bike dealers are not
reporting sales so they can cheat on their taxes.


We were talking about the Silicon Valley. I can imagine that
cycling down there isn't exactly fun. Up here in the Sierra
foothills bike sales are brisk. Else successes such as these would
not happen:

You're f****** nuts.


Man, you have a fuse almost as short as that of El Presidente :-)


... SCV has some of the best riding in the state.
Ever climbed Mt. Hamilton?
http://www.bikecal.com/MustDoClimbs/...tHamilton1.jpg The Santa
Cruz mountains?
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5d/51/71/5...u-are-here.jpg


That's not what we consider best riding out here. This is what we
consider best riding:

https://cdn-files.apstatic.com/mtb/7...1437192781.jpg

I'm talking road. Silly me, I forgot don't ride on the road because it is too dangerous -- but you will ride on an unprotected precipice where a fall means death. O.K. And by the way, that picture is what -- 50-75 miles from your house up HWY 50? How do you propose to get there? I post pictures of Mt. Hood which is also about 50 or so miles away, but at least I can ride there.


This is real life in the Bay Area:

http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/34/07/22.../1024x1024.jpg

And no thanks, I'll never want to live there.

Nobody is saying you have to. And BTW, that's SF and not the Santa Clara Valley.

Out to the coast? Old LaHonda to the coast was awesome.
https://www.southbayriders.com/forum...hments/172370/ I still
miss that. I miss Hamilton except for the crack seal. I finished
first in the Mt. Hamilton Challenge (200K/10K climbing) -- that was
a great day.


Congratulations. I never participated in a race and never will. Not my
cuppa tea. I am also not the top notch sports guy like you are.

It is now referred to as a "gran fondo." I never did do the Mt. Hamilton Road Race. I knew I would get dropped by the 120lb guys. Have to take your victories where you can get them.


All these places beat the **** out of Cameron Park.


They sure do not.


All I hear from you is how incredibly dangerous it is to ride in Cameron Park and the environs. It sounds like a living hell. Why would anyone want to live there who likes to ride on the road? Meanwhile, when I lived in the SCV, I commuted thousands of miles, raced, raced track (no velodrome in Cameron Park the last I checked), rode through dramatic redwood forest to the ocean one day and then the next day road up the brown hills of the Hamilton range to a late Victorian observatory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lick_Observatory Riding through the strawberry fields near Watsonville was amazing -- like riding through a jar of jam. I frequently rode over to Aptos and stayed at a friends house up in the hills, looking down at Monterey Bay. Not going to get that in Cameron Park.


... The SCV also has
a strong cycling community -- at least it did when I was there.
Remember Tom Ritchey, Keith Bontrager? -- Jim Blackburn (Blackburn),
Jim Gentes (Giro), Mike Sinyard (Specialized), Rock Shockm( in '90s),
etc., etc. Wake up and smell the coffee. The SCV was the
belly-button of the bike industry and has some spectacular cycling.


I am not into famous people, they don't matter much to me. What I want
is pristine nature, preferably no motor-vehicle traffic and the
occasional river access. A brewpub here and there can't hurt.

The point I was making is that the SCV has a very active cycling community, a deep history in the bicycle industry and many riding opportunities. Riding in the SCV was a lot of "fun" for me. It would not be fun for you because you find road riding scary, bad, etc., etc. If you're not getting run over by a car, you're dying of exhaust inhalation.

-- Jay Beattie.