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Old August 11th 18, 11:22 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 10/08/18 14:29, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 13:21:11 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

On 09/08/18 17:28, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 09:05:01 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

On 08/08/18 21:42, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 21:09:45 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/08/18 20:44, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 20:41:27 +0100, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/08/18 19:21, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 15:24:39 +0100, TMS320
wrote:
On 07/08/18 18:29, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 15:27:28 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

It is intended only to alert other road-users to one's
presence.
Er no. It means "You ****ing arsehole, why the hell didn't
you indicate?!"
*A horn conveys no information so how are your targets
supposed to know what your problem is?
*Well let me see, Mr Smith turns right at a roundabout without
indicating, and someone correctly pulls in front of him, then
sounds their horn when they see he's about to collide with
them.* He can then look up the highway code or whatever and
find out why the other car had the right of way.

Just because Mr Smith is not indicating right it is not correct
for AN Other to pull out on a whim. Too many hims and thems.
Explain who is doing what and who ends up in front of whom.
*If you don't indicate right at a roundabout, you do not have the
right to turn right.* WTF are you doing turning without informing
other road users as to where you intend to go?

When following marked lanes indication is not necessary.
Indication is only useful when making lane changes or where there
is ambiguity. And I live in the south east where most people adapt
to cope with each others' behaviour without going into a hissy fit
at every opportunity.

Please explain your scenario in more detail.
*Now think of a roundabout without lanes.* Or maybe one with two
entry lanes and three exits.* And don't assume that cars at the
other side can tell what lane you're in.

Still not enough information. Every roundabout is different. No
mention of* timing and you don't say which driver ends up aiming at
the other driver's doors.
*This is precisely why everyone should indicate.


Precisely why what? You're still short of description. Have you
entered the roundabout ahead of the other driver or are you entering
while the other driver is ahead of you?


It doesn't matter.* You should always indicate so other drivers don't
have to guess at your intentions.


It does. Nature of damage in a collision might determine insco's
decision about fault, irrespective about you bleating about indicators.

You said that there is no need to signal when going straight on but you
want left turners and right turners to signal left before exit. That's
nonsense. As I said earlier, indicate where there is ambiguity - the
relationship between entry and exit point is largely irrelevant.

No indicator means you're going straight ahead, end of story.

Straight on from where? Once a roundabout is more than a certain
size the relationship between entry and exit becomes completely
irrelevant.

You seem to be just trying to make a point rather than trying to
work out how to use a roundabout in the most efficient way for the
circumstances you find at the time.
*Depending on the size, I indicate left when I leave, and indicate
right if I'm going around it a fair distance.


With very rare exceptions I don't indicate twice; either right while
circulating or left before leaving, depending on layout, lane and
conditions. There are roundabouts where the major road goes right, and
though minor roads join between, it is not necessary to indicate when
following the major. There are many other examples.


Then you're a ****ing idiot and a danger to other road users.


What is commonly noticeable is that the person that lacks confidence or
dithers is the one that indicates by rote. Sorry if you can't cope with
southern ways.
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