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Old February 11th 14, 02:49 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
EdwardDolan
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Default The Joys & Pleasures of Cycling on Trails

Blackblade states that hikers and bikers are doing the same thing on trails, i.e., recreating in the out of doors. Here is evidence that in fact they are NOT doing the same thing at all. Bikers are into thrills and spills, fun and games. Hikers and equestrians are communing with nature. These two very different types of activity cannot coexist on the same trails. Bikers need their own god damn ****ing trails entirely separated (preferably by hundreds of miles) from trails for civilized folks.

Here is the bad news. Read it and weep! Blackblade most particularly needs to go to ALL the links, something that I am way too smart to ever do since I KNOW what they are about ... because, unlike Blackblade, I posses some common sense.

“Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 09:39:49 -0800
Subject: IMBA encourages bikers and bike clubs to ask for more trails access
in State Parks; proof of speeding on trails
From: Karen Sullivan

Tom Ward, a former State Park employee has helped craft the process
for making it easier to obtain access on all State Park trails

https://www.imba.com/blog/patrick-ke...e-parks-update

If you don't already think speeding bikes in State Parks is a problem,
please look at the following links for You Tube racing in California
State Parks Annadel, China Camp and Wilder.

STRAVA is a new smart phone app that allows cyclists to track and post
their particular run and challenge others to beat their times. This
is a public website. Through STRAVA, you can see how many recorded
runs on each trail (one trail at China Camp has over 13,000 attempts),
and the maximum speed reached (30-40 MPH on some sections of trails!!!

PLEASE view the links below the contact info. and send concerns to Ken
Wiseman, Executive Director, Parks Forward Initiative, at
.,
To make a comment about CA State Parks:
http://parksforward.com/questions
and

phone numbers for district offices
http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=24248

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Wilder Ranch State Park
steep, drop-offs, no sightlines, blind corners,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJCMpdJibn4

Enchanted Loop Downhill narrow, drop-offs, lots of vegetation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MPT3VIIwac

Old Cabin Loop "smashing down Old Cabin Loop lots of trail damage,
gong too fast, cliffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JCsVZlnAqw

Pogonip, Wilder VERY poor visibility and sightlines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpY74ehwuQE

STRAVA at Wilder

Enchanted Forest DH 2257 Attempts By 1009 People
http://www.strava.com/segments/693945

Maple Muffin's ride Max speed 32.9 MPH
http://www.strava.com/activities/103787883#2239007488

Zane Grey 1968 Attempts By 785 People
http://www.strava.com/segments/643126

Brock Dickies ride max speed 36.9 MPH
http://www.strava.com/activities/62194743#1170568171
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China Camp State Park

"What it's like to climb a mountain and haul ass down"

This is nuts!! Extremely narrow trail with a lot of vegetation, blind
corners and very steep dropoffs!
How can State Parks consider this a multi-use trail?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9TWFzPHCM

Does not stop for the hikers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv4G6F-to0o

STRAVA at China Camp

China Camp East Descent (Full) 13512 Attempts By 2826 People
http://www.strava.com/activities/65740633#1256049743

Danimal's VP's ride max speed 41.2 MPH
http://www.strava.com/activities/65740633#1256049743

Smashing switchbacks ride 9450 Attempts By 1944 People
http://www.strava.com/segments/2141110

Aa ron's ride Max speed . 26.5 MPH
http://www.strava.com/activities/48383405#847934290

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Annadel State Park

Bikers going way too fast on multi-use trails, going off trail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRt9ey9FPdk

rider goes out of control, falls. And State Parks thinks this is a
compatable use with hikers and equestrians?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dfXHOmVtqE

STRAVA: at Annadel

Lawndale dowhhill. 5018 Attempts By 1584 People
http://www.strava.com/segments/667915

Shane Ball's ride max soeed 32.9 MPH
http://www.strava.com/activities/2540711#43098533

North Burma Top Half DH 11172 Attempts By 2177 People
http://www.strava.com/segments/798959

Nick Moreda's ride max speed 30.2 MPH
http://www.strava.com/activities/59622957#1110436329”

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great


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