On 12/8/2019 7:30 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 11:20:44 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 12/8/2019 9:44 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 4:02:37 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 8:20:33 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 23:03:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 12:49:42 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 3:28:56 PM UTC-8, wrote:
As part of the ordering process of my gravel bike I was measured last Wednesday to determine the correct frame size. The measuring program didn't take the handlebar/shifter/shifter position into account in contrast to saddle make and type. I found that strange because most of the time you are riding on the hoods. It was a rainy day yesterday so I took the time to measure all my current bikes which I adjusted by 'feel' giving the purpose/riding style of that bike. Results:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1HbWyM6g1gNqoyMx5

So today I went back to the LBS (another 100 km round trip) to discuss this. In the meantime the manufacturer emailed the shop a drawing of their proposal. Strangely this drawing did show the measurements of the position of the shifter on the handlebar and this came very close what I measured on my bikes especially measurement E, F and D. With the mechanic we figured out the correct frame size taking the chosen handlebar, a stem length of 110 mm and the new Ultegra shifters and the manufacturers proposal/my measurements into account. My question is what do these measurement programs exactly do? Are there people that close a bike only based on these measurements?

Lou

Lou, if its a compact, buy a "medium." Done. Why should it be any more difficult than buying one of your Canyons?

The measurements are intended to impress you. Shop drawings and proposals?
What, are you buying from General Dynamics? What are you buying?

Back in the day, seat tube length was a big deal, but now with compacts and long seat posts, the important measurement is TT, so I suppose they're trying to get your TT just right to size the bike with a stem that is not too short or too long, which might affect steering in some metaphysical way. Unless you're built like ET, they'll pull a "medium" out of stock, declare it custom and hand it to you.


Yes that is what I thought. 7 body measurements (left and right footlength ???) which resulted in 19 adjustment proposals, even a seattube angle of 73.74 degrees. WTF? Bike will be custom build (parts) but frame will not be custom. I just wanted the right size to begin with (over-the counter) and not ending up with a 80 mm stem. These are good guys btw but they soon found out that I'm not the average customer ;-) They are dealers of BMC, Cannondale, Cervelo, IDworx, Santos, De Rosa, Bianchi and the brand I'm buying now which made me part of an American family. How about that for marketing ;-)

Lou.

It used to be much simpler. Buy a bike that you could stand over; set
the seat height and position; set the stem position; ride the bike and
make any more changes.

It still works for me :-)
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cheers,

John B.

Yes I remembered that time, where all frames had horizontal top tubes, only 2 saddles and handlebars to choose from and of course that awful quill stem. Most of the time people rode to large frames. That time passed thank god.

Lou

And those saddles were absolutely horrible. A leather saddle that would take a year of heavy riding to break in or a Regal saddle that would chaff you between the legs so badly that you could hardly walk after a long ride.

Those were terrible, terrible times! Oh, the agony bicyclists endured!

The only people on bikes back then must have been the crazies and the
masochists. Thank God the marketing industry has saved us!

Granted that I am a cynic but I wonder whether all the folderol about
bike fitting is simply to justify the several hundred dollars that
being "properly" fitted costs?
See https://www.bcbikefit.com/pricing/

Just think 2 hours and $395 and your "mobile" bike will fit.

To be honest though, I'm not exactly sure what a "mobile" bike is? Are
there immobile bikes?

Doesn't your corner of the planet have Spin Classes and Peloton (TM)
bikes? You get to work up a sweat while going nowhere.

OK for winter, I guess, if it's your thing. But it's hard for me to
understand driving to a spin class any time of year, especially if it's
not winter.

BTW, a Peloton ad recently got the internet's ire up.
https://www.thecut.com/2019/12/pelot...icized-ad.html


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- Frank Krygowski