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Old July 11th 14, 12:41 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
EdwardDolan
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Default Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found

"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

Hiker accidents are extremely rare in comparison because it is safe.


Look at the real stats Ed. Hiking is safer, yes, but it is

not absolutely safe ... nothing is. Both hiking and mountainbiking are in
a natural, untrammeled environment and therefore subject to very similar
risks.

The risks are not similar at all. Riding a bike on a trail
designed for walking is a circus act, chock full of risks at every
turn.


So, if that is the case, why do the 3.5million rides EVERY DAY result in so few fatalities and serious injuries ? You simply either don't understand probability or you are dishonest ...


I will shortly be posting more reports of serious accidents and deaths for you to contemplate.

Further, the biker accidents that do occur are normally quite serious

requiring

rescue services and emergency rooms. You simply do not know what you

are

blathering about.




At least I bother to read around the topic and find data ... you

just think that your opinions count as fact. I reiterate, the demonstrated
KSI figures show that mountainbiking is pretty safe ... not absolutely,
certainly, but the risks are low.

The risks are high, especially on alpine trails. Even very
experienced riders suffer horrible accidents, but newbies are most at risk.


I'm inured to this kind of blather now. You have never produced one iota of evidence to back this up. It's your biased opinion, nothing more, and it's incorrect.


Read the reports I am posting. That is the “iota” of evidence.

I understand what I am doing perfectly without getting moronic


lectures from you about the scientific method.


Ed, you're either uneducated as regards statistics or, if you

aren't, then you are fundamentally dishonest. If there are 3.5 million
rides per day then even a risk of 0.01% would result in 3,500 serious
injuries. All you can produce is a tiny handful ... so we can safely
conclude, as have all the medical bodies, that mountainbiking is relatively
safe.

Your statistics don't interest me since we do not know what is
being measured. A few stories explain the situation better than any of your
meaningless numbers (data).


The statistics don't interest you because they disprove what you would like to state as fact. As a result, you'd prefer to highlight a tiny handful of reported incidents and pretend that they are somehow indicative of a wider malaise. We are measuring, and you are reporting, injuries and fatalities ... as such, whilst the precise metrics (fatalities per million miles, serious injuries per thousand exposures etc) may vary they allow us to, quite sensibly, compare different activities. And, on doing so, mountainbiking comes up as relatively safe; safer than driving, skiing, rugby, american football etc etc. In this case, it's not the statistics that are trying to lie ... it's you !


The reports and evidence of the dangers of biking on trails are pouring in from all directions. The only one who is blind, deaf and dumb are you and your cohorts.
[...]

That is your job, I am sure you will find that hiking is as
safe as walking around the block compared to biking on a trail - which is as
dangerous (and as stupid) as going over Niagara Falls in a barrel.


Too asinine to even merit a comment. Dishonest or scientifically stupid; which is it Ed ?


You are the Asshole who thinks it is cool to engage in extreme sports, not me!
[...]

Media reports are better than any numbers. The facts are that
hiking is safe and biking on trails is not safe.


Very funny. Your logic seems to, as ever, revert to a statement of what you were originally attempting to prove. A wonderful demonstration of circular logic.


Still, at least it serves to allow me to prove that your logic is as in error as your premises. I think your premises stand comprehensively disproved.


Unlike you, I cannot get around the facts. Hiking is safe, biking on trails on is not safe. That is what the reporting from the field shows without any doubt at all.

Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain biking!

“Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.”
~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24),
from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets"

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great


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