On Sep 2, 4:03*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message

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On Sep 1, 4:56 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
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Your facts are not really facts, they are just another set of opinions
camouflaged as facts.
Your opinion that known facts are not really facts is merely

camouflaged opinion stated as fact. *Deletion of (presented facts) and
denial of such facts is a ludicrous effort to discredit what is
documented and accepted. *Socrates taught that wisdom begins in the
recognition of how little we know. *Every time you open your mouth,
you embarrass yourself by demonstrating how little you know and in so
doing diminish the sum total of your credibility. *Keep up the good
work.

Nope, simply documenting something does not mean it is true and accepted.
ALL facts are subject to being interpreted and disputed. My contempt for
your so-called facts runneth over!

My contempt for your contempt runneth over. The facts I presented,
and you deleted, were tested and verified facts of which you are in
denial. You never have been able to discern the difference between a
fact and an opinion. Facts are not subject to dispute. Let the
lecture begin..

A fact is a pragmatic truth which can be verified and confirmed as
opposed to perception, belief or opinion which, though held to be
true, is not amenable to confirmation. A fact exists independent of
the mind and that means everyone except the most contentious of
persons (like you) would readily acknowledge and be in agreement about
it ... like temperature, for instance. Measurable, temperature is a
fact and is not subject to interpretation. Interpretation is
basically a conception based on belief and/or judgment. It's
basically your opinion. As valid as an opinion may seem to be and as
strongly as an opinion is may be held, it is little more than an
interpretation conceived to fit the facts as perceived. You often
offer your perceptions as though fact when you are merely stating
nothing more than opinion. Opinion is not a fact and that's a fact no
matter what kind of spin you attempt to put on it.

A fact is information about circumstances that are known to exist or
events that are known to have occurred. As such, facts are not
subject to debate and that's a fact ... not an opinion. You continue
to misconstrue the none too subtle distinction between what
constitutes a fact and what constitutes an opinion. You never have
and never will know the distinction between the two. It is difficult,
if not impossible, to challenge an opinion. You take solace from this
because you are less likely to be proven fallible ... a frailty of
the human condition to which you could not possibly admit. By your
own admission, you are all about opinion and is clamorously
contemptuous of logic and facts. You emphatically insists upon being
unencumbered by logic and unrestrained by facts for two specific,
though unexpressed, reasons. Logic is not your strong suit and fact,
by definition, is not subject to debate (read not arguable), which
precludes your favorite pastime ... argumentation. You are
uncomfortable when bound by the confines of logic and fact. So, what
do you do? You argue about opinions, but there's problem with that
too. Something cannot be branded "true" or "false", "right" or
"wrong" when that something is merely an expression of opinion.
Nonetheless this is precisely what you endeavor to do ... debate the
non-debatable (read opinion). What is debatable are particulars such
as values, policies, proposals or propositions. What is also
debatable is whether you will ever be able to discern the distinction
between fact and opinion and determine what is and what is not subject
to debate.

It is worthy to note that an opinion coincides with fact only in
direct relation to the degree with which it is based in fact. A
purveyor of disinformation, your opinions are most often comprised of
immaterial speculation and irrelevant supposition. There is a immense
difference between opinion and conjecture. You are not, as often
asserted, all about opinion. You are all about conjecture ... a none
too subtle distinction which exceeds your poor powers of perception.
The bottom line is that you should stick to what you know, not to what
you think. You are not entitled to an opinion until you can provide a
cogent explanation.

The bottom line is that people become diseased and die every day from
cancer
and other conditions as a result of having lived. Anyone who makes it to
age
70 or so has been doing an awful lot of things right. If everyone were
dying
of diseased conditions in their 30's and 40's, then I would consider
looking
into what might be causing it, but that is clearly not the case.
The bottom line is NOT that people become diseased and die every day

from cancer and other conditions as a result of MERELY having lived, but
rather
that we have lived not as well as we should have, having made choices
that limit our exposure to that which contributes to cumulative damage
of our DNA as we age, genetic mutation that triggers the onset of
disease, an indisputable fact that DOLAN refuses to acknowledge.

Most folks live about as well as their culture permits. Trying to escape
what your culture gives you is a fool's errand.

Opinion stated as fact.

I have never seen anyone in their 80's who was not frail. That is due to a
biological clock which is ticking away in all of us from the moment of our
birth. Diet only effects our health on the margins. The FACT is that our
food in the US is by and large safe. If it weren't, no one would make it
to
age 70 or above.
Granted, age inevitably takes its toll on the biological organism, but

diet plays a significant role be it good or bad depending upon the
choices we make as to what we ingest. *This has become increasingly
obvious as evidence accumulates.

Diet plays a role because how and what we eat is an important element of
life. However, what is in dispute is how great that role is in the grand
scheme of things. Most people in all previous cultures never lived much past
the age of 40. Maybe mother nature never intended that we should live to age
70 or 80?

Much has changed over time that has contributed to increased
longevity. There are man y variable that have com into play, not the
least of is advancement in medical sciences, but the role that diet
plays cannot be denied.

Why not talk to your wife and get her input. She is a nurse and knows things
about life and death that you and I don't.

Why not get your facts straight before embarrassing yourself? As
usual, you are talking crap again about that which you know nothing.
My wife is a retired IT professional and a certified therapist ...
not a nurse. Can't you ever get anything right???

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota