On 2018-02-19 11:24, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/19/2018 1:42 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-02-19 09:53, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/19/2018 11:42 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-02-19 08:21, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/19/2018 10:32 AM, AMuzi wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...shing-car.html



(I was test riding a customer's race bike when Asian Kitchen delivery
turned in. They replaced his bike.)

How odd! The magic paint somehow failed to prevent the collision!


The turn signal of the car shown in the video should have. It is not
wise to blow past a car when its turn signal clearly indicates that
the driver intends to turn into your path. While it is still the fault
of the car driver I do not understand how a cyclist could simply
ignore that.

Oh, and bright lights do help in such situations. When a car driver
sees some really bright light in the rear view and outside mirror that
does get their attention. Experienced it myself many times, when they
slammed on the brake pedal.

It depends. The most deadly right hooks occur with large trucks and
buses. Those vehicles have huge blind spots, not "may not notice" spots.
If your light can't be seen (which is very typical in such situations)
it can't help.


On poorly equipped trucks, yes. Others, not so much. Check the lower
round mirror he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As6qe58RY0k

Modern trucks have dual panel mirrors where this is more integrated.

It would be irresponsible to advise anyone to trust the mirrors on a big
truck or bus, no matter how fancy they may appear. Check out these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9E1_1M-qhU



a. The cab is aready turned. Nobody in their right mind would cycle by a
truck in that configuration.

b. The lower mirror isn't adjusted correctly.

Duh!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djzC4yeMOiU


Well built trucks have small windows in the lower door section so
drivers can see a cyclist next to the cab. I avoid that area even then.


Anyhow, I would never pass a truck on the right unless I have
established an acknowledged visual contact with the driver.

But the bike lane sends a different message, as interpreted by the
cyclist in Andrew's link and many other cyclists. Again, this collision
type was responsible for many of the cluster of cyclist deaths in London
a couple years ago.


A bike lane is _not_ a free ticket to a careless riding style. That
cyclist was careless, plain and simple. There was a clearly visible turn
signal yet he ignored it.

This is how most right-hook bike path accidents happen in Germany and
other countries. I have seen it personally where people just blow
through intersections without as much as a look to the left, assuming
they ride in "their" space. I don't, I am always looking out and
consequently never had a critical situation or crash with a motor
vehicle while on the bike path. I did have numerous on the road and none
was my fault. Well, except a minor one where I rear-ended a car because
the front brake cable snapped. That can happen.

This was over more than 60000 miles, much of that in bike path country
(Netherlands).


So let me ask again:

... Under what
circumstances would a straight-ahead motoring lane be placed
between the
curb and a lane where turns are permitted? And when would a motorist
think it's safe to "undertake" like that when a vehicle has its turn
signal blinking?

In other words, who would design an equivalent lane stripe for a motor
vehicle? Not even the most incompetent highway designer. Yet American
bike advocates lobby for such nonsense until the politicians cave in.


They generally don't. European ones sometimes do, they have to learn a
lot more. This is how it's done right:

https://goo.gl/maps/2spLh13Junn

If you virtually move along that road you will see that the bike lane
switches to the middle, in this case even across two right-turn lanes.
I nearly always have to go straight ahead there and despite coming
through there during rush hour never had a problem.

Joerg, there absolutely are advocacy groups lobbying for bike lanes on
_all_ streets, and wanting them to the far right for protection. They
even lobby specifically for bike lanes in door zones. I know of two
cities in Ohio that caved into those demands.


Got links for those groups where they explicitly advocate that?

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Regards, Joerg

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