Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Watch what the drivers do (somewhere other than Silly Cone valley).
Troll (and I'll note that the troll snipped the full response, only
a few lines long because he had no possible reply). Here it is again:
Some drivers will get mad at you no matter what. In one case, some
woman screamed and honked at me while I was riding in a bike lane.
What got her mad is that I stopped at stop sign and she was somewhat
behind me and wanted to make a right turn, so she had to wait a
couple of seconds for me to clear the intersection. Traffic was
so light that, as far as I could see in either direction, including
along the cross street, there was precisely one bicycle and one
automobile using those roads.
There's a simple solution to the problem - don't give licenses
to people who lack the maturity needed to operate a motor vehicle.

"Bicycle lanes" often endanger the cyclist at intersections (where
most cyclist/vehicle collisions occur) in return for some
psychological comfort of reducing the risk of getting hit from behind
(which is rare, even without bicycle farcilities).

Nonsense. That "psychological comfort" thing is simply a re[]h[a]sh of
Jo[h]n Forester's silliness about bike lanes and it is meaningless
rhetoric.

Back when I first moved to an urban area that had "bicycle lanes", I
rode them since I did not know better. I soon came to the realization
that cyclists would be better off without them, particularly those who
want to make left turns.

A bicycle lane's main advantage is when it can line up cars at
intersections with long queues of cars so that bicycles can move to
near the front of the queue without having to follow a slalom course
through stopped cars spread out across a wide lane.

That is hardly worth being ghettoized.

As to safety, sometimes there is going to be a stripe an[y]way - either a
bike lane stripe or a shoulder stripe. The shoulder stripe gets
dropped by heading to the curb. The bike lane stripe is dropped by
simply stopping it and looks like the normal case where two lanes
merge.

And?

At intersections with a right turn lane, we'll have the right turn
lane to the right of the "through" bike lane. The result for novice
cyclists is that they'll end up to the left of right turning cars and
the fact that they are going straight will be obvious to everyone.
Without the bike lane stripe, cyclists tend to ride on the lane stripe
dividing the through lane from the right-turn-only lane in order to
make it easier for overtaking drivers. If the cyclist is an inch
inside the right turn lane, and goes straight, the cyclist is
violating the law and that would be held against the cyclist in an
accident even though the cyclist's intentions were completely clear
and even though the cyclist was simply trying to maintain as much
clearance from motor vehicles as conditions allow.

Take the lane, dude!

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
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