On Mon, 04 Dec 2017 08:26:28 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 08:05:20 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-12-02 16:21, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/2/2017 10:09 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-12-01 16:48, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 01 Dec 2017 13:44:31 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

That's how it was in the village where I grew up except the smell was
from "cow ****". The local ranchers regularly drove herds through the
village. There was only that one street so no other options. It never
bothered me. Diesel exhaust blasting into my face while riding on roads
does though, big time.

But that is very much a matter of personal preference, isn't it?


You do know the difference between a nuisance smell and potential lung
cancer, don't you?

That's the point, Joerg. You obviously don't know the difference.

You pretend that if you can smell diesel, you must be at significantly
elevated risk for lung cancer. That's not the case. In enough
concentration, diesel fumes do raise risk, but that concentration must
be much higher than what a person can detect by smell.


I have mentioned that often a cough sets in. Ask any doctor. When fumes
trigger a cough they do increase cancer risk, big time. Once I am off
that long county road for a while, no more coughing.

Seriously, I wonder whether you don't have an over active imagination.

I had some sort of internal combustion engine powered transportation
device from the time I was 14 years old. I joined the A.F. and spent
the next 20 years running up and down the flight line which was packed
with various types of internal combustion engines roaring and belching
smoke and flame.

The I retired and almost immediately was hired firstly as a "Master
Mechanic" working on construction equipment and later as a manager for
construction projects which entailed considerable on site supervision.

After some 70 years of being exposed almost continuously to devices
burning gasoline, ave-gas and diesel fuel I have no breathing problems
at all.

Oh yes, I forgot, for several years, long before California's first
clean air laws, I was also exposed to the Los Angeles Basin smog for
longer or shorter periods.

You, on the other hand, seem to open your front door, take a deep
breath and (apparently) are in immediate danger of contracting cancer.

Really?

As an addendum, are you aware that simply cooking food creates an
atmosphere that is conductive to cancer?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2685804/

"When food is cooked at temperatures up to 300°C, carbohydrates,
proteins, and fat are reduced to toxic products, such as aldehydes and
alkanoic acids which can cause irritation of the airway mucosa.
Cooking fumes also contains carcinogenic and mutagenic compounds, such
as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and heterocyclic compounds.
Exposure to cooking fumes has also been associated in several studies
with an increased risk of respiratory cancer..."

I recently came across the following and thought it might be of
interest to those who wish to avoid cancer.
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/abou...-causes-cancer

The less alcohol you drink, the lower the risk of cancer. No type of
alcohol is better or worse than another, it is the alcohol itself that
leads to the damage, regardless of whether it is in wine, beer or
spirits.

Research has looked mainly at the amount of alcohol people drink in
total and the effect on cancer risk. Drinking alcohol increases the
risk of cancer whether you drink it all in one go or a bit at a time.

Regularly drinking up to a pint of premium lager or a large glass of
wine a day can increase the risk of mouth, upper throat, esophageal
(food pipe), breast and bowel cancers. These drinks both include about
3 units of alcohol.

Around 3,200 cases of breast cancer each year in the UK are linked to
alcohol.

Drinking alcohol regularly can increase the risk of 7 different
cancers. It is likely that different cancers are caused in different
ways. Cancers linked to alcohol include:

Mouth cancer
Pharyngeal cancer (upper throat)
Esophageal cancer (food pipe)
Laryngeal cancer (voice box)
Breast cancer
Bowel cancer
Liver cancer

In our bodies, alcohol (ethanol) is converted into a toxic chemical
called acetaldehyde.

It can cause cancer by damaging DNA and stopping our cells from
repairing this damage. The International Agency for Research on Cancer
have classified acetaldehyde formed as a result of drinking alcohol as
being a cause of cancer, along with alcohol itself.

There have been some studies in the past that suggested drinking a
little bit of alcohol may be good for heart health. But recent reviews
have called these findings into question and the UK Chief Medical
Officer's review of the evidence concluded that potential benefits
only apply to women aged 55 and over who drink very little (about 5
units per week). The new government guidelines clearly state that
drinking for health reasons is not recommended.

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Cheers,

John B.