On 2/22/2018 7:11 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 3:03:19 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 2/19/2018 8:42 AM, Joerg wrote:

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Oh, and bright lights do help in such situations. When a car driver sees
some really bright light in the rear view and outside mirror that does
get their attention. Experienced it myself many times, when they slammed
on the brake pedal.

True. Anyone that has good DRLs has experienced the difference. But it's
not 100% of the time.

I've never liked the narrative of "let's pass more laws to make
everything safe for everyone," but education seems to be working on most
people, since most commuters on bicycles, other than students, now are
using DRLs. But last Sunday we were out on a trail and I did not
understand why mountain bikers were using DRLs off-road, since there
were not very many of them around.

Will we ever educate everyone? No. But we did get Frank to buy a good
battery powered light with DRL functionality, the Oculus, so there is
hope for the future of our country.

These poor, poor, uneducated riders. No DRLs. They will soon die. https://d3qvqlc701gzhm.cloudfront.ne...16c80c729f.jpg These guys, too. https://bikeportland.org/2011/06/22/...r-photos-55300
All dead.

I have a friend who was an early member of Price Club and he continually
lavished praise on it. I once asked him, "Tom, how did you live before
Price Club?" He responded, "I survived, but it wasn't much of a life."

As to your photos, where DRLs make the most difference is not riding on
open roads or in bike lanes as you show in those photos, but when
"sharing the road," as many transportational cyclists do. When there's a
bicycle lane I still would use a DRL, but when vehicle drivers see a
bicycle lane they're less likely to do stupid things.

But of course you knew all this, and I suspect that you use a DRL when
commuting.