On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 19:37:01 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/6/2017 11:22 AM, Duane wrote:
On 06/11/2017 11:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/6/2017 9:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/6/2017 9:31 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/6/2017 8:23 AM, wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-churc...ry?id=50958603



from your link:
* "As he exited the church, a local resident grabbed his
rifle and engaged that suspect, Martin said. "The suspect
dropped his rifle -- which was a Rueger AR assault-type
rifle -- and fled from the church. Our local citizen
pursued the suspect at that time."

The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later
found dead in his vehicle in Guadalupe County, according
to authorities. It's unclear whether he died from a
self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was shot by
another person, officials said.

Interrupted by an armed citizen.
Ruger is spelled wrong.
An AR is a semi - not a Sturmgewehr.

Idiot was prohibited from possessing a firearm, in
addition to several and various other illegal acts.

You're focusing on minutae. Step back and look at the
problem. And don't pretend that mass shootings in America
are not a problem.

How long was Kelley in the church? How many rounds did he
fire? Why does anyone really need to fire more than about
ten rounds in one minute, except to commit a mass killing?

Are you a "good guy with a gun" fan? If Kelley had been
restricted to something like one shot every five seconds,
some "good guy with a gun" might have had a chance to stop
him. Of course, that requires someone to carry a
self-defense weapon into a country church on a Sunday
morning. That situation alone is despicable.

Why should a private citizen be allowed to buy a rifle with
many features designed ONLY for killing human beings and
doing it rapidly? Why should such guns be for sale on the
open market?

Will gun nuts continue to pretend the Founders' "well
regulated militia" includes a mass murderer of churchgoers?



Updates this morning-

Church included among its members the idiot's inlaws. They were not
there yet, arrived later.

A plumber with no formal training grabbed his rifle, returned fire
immediately then flagged a passing car to pursue said idiot.

You can't outlaw mental illness or stupidity or rage but the survivors
appreciate that he was driven off and then stopped. Too bad Mr Plumber
wasn't a minute quicker.


Apparently even if you outlaw selling weapons to felons that doesn't
work either.

Australia seems to have found ways to reduce this problem. America just
isn't smart enough.

Yes, and Australia has, roughly, half the auto deaths per 100,000
registered vehicles as the U.S. Is this because that they don't have
any guns? But so what?

From one site it appears that Washington, D.C. has a gun ownership
rate of 25.9% and a Murder and Non negligent homicide rate of
24.2/100,000.

In contrast:
Vermont - gun ownership is 28.8% and Homicide rate of 1.6/100,000
Texas - gun ownership of 35.9% and homicide rate of 4.8/100,000
Montana - gun ownership is 52.3 and homicide rate of 3.5/100,000
Wyoming - gun ownership is 53.8 and 2.7/100,000
Alaska - gun ownership is 61.7% and 8.0/100,000

In short, your thesis that guns cause crime just isn't correct. The
old adage that guns don't kill people, people kill people, apparently
is correct.

As for sheer numbers, you are getting all excited about, what was it?
26 gun deaths in Texas, while in Washington, D.C. they kill six times
that number annually and no one says a word.
--
Cheers,

John B.