On 2017-09-09 21:41, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 08:28:40 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 8:03:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-09-08 19:08, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 6:52:52 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 9/8/2017 3:06 PM, Joerg wrote:
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Same with the tires BTW. They had 60k miles, still half the tread
but were well past 10 years. Looked good buy common
recommendations state that means it's time to buy new tires. Try
_that_ with a bicycle tire.

60,000 miles on the tires and they still had half the tread left?
Meaning your car tires would last 120,000 miles if they weren't too
old?

Joerg, you need someone to edit your fantastic claims, to give them
at least a _hint_ of plausibility.

Joerg needs to learn that tires have a shelf-life.
http://www.tiresafetygroup.com/tires...-in-six-years/ It's not
just about tread wear.


Age is exactly why I replaced them, as I wrote above. Good quality truck
tries can be pushed past 10 years but not much. It greatly depends on
whether the vehicle sits in the weather and sun all day. Mine doesn't,
it lives in the garage, protected from sunlight and weather. I also gave
the the occasional talc rub.


I defended a death case involving tread separation on a tire that had
more than half its tread left.


It happens. I had it happen on a brand new bicycle tire. Pieces flew off
to the point where I could barely push the bike home. But I had to
because nobody could pick me up on singletrack.


Bicyclists would be outraged if their tire tread fell of and killed
them! I can't believe what car owners put up with. They should make
car tires as durable as bike tires! And for a dollar. No, make that
$.50.


Gatorskin $45, tread completely gone after 2500mi.

Truck tire, $65, tread 50% reduced after 60000mi.

Any questions?

Nashbar City Rambler $9.99. Any questions? https://tinyurl.com/y8qdglvs BTW, your truck tire is about half the price of the tires on my Subaru and hardly typical of a decent all-weather tire from Michelin or other quality tire maker. And the Gatorskin is just over-priced, but then again, the price is based on the market. It's capitalism. Buy something else.

Now, you could go out and buy a hardcase tire that never dies, but it would be like riding on a wagon wheel. Go out and buy some of my Innova studs without the studs. Those are like tank tracks. I hate them.

-- Jay Beattie.

Seriously American truck tires last 120,000 miles? that is nearly
200,000 km.


No. Read more carefully. You shall not run a tire for a street-operated
motor vehicle all the way to zero tread. That can result in a nasty
hydro-planing crash during rain and then you'd be deemed at fault no
matter what, and rightfully so.


I'll have to try and order some of them there things as my
wife had a tire break after only 90,000 km.

Funny... Jorge tells us that Thai made tires last longer then
anything.


On the MTB. To my surprise they do last longer than more expensive
brands though not by a lot. The current TrailTaker (made by Vee Rubber
in Thailand) is at almost 800mi but now really finished. The tread wear
isn't much better, it is nearly bald in the middle. What is much better
are the side walls in that they don't start to fail towards the running
surface when the tire gets to this point. It means I can't spin up some
of the hills because of lack of grip but that's fine with me, I do not
particiapte in races.

Their road tires are hard to find in 25mm but I might try one next. The
price is certainly right, for a bicycle ti

https://www.niagaracycle.com/categor...44-road-27-tpi

--
Regards, Joerg

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