On 2017-09-16 11:54, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/16/2017 2:28 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-09-16 09:16, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/16/2017 10:34 AM, Joerg wrote:

No, cyclists get run over. Doesn't matter whether hill or not. A
vehicle that travels at 1/4 the speed of motorized traffic or less is
always at higher risk in the lane than traffic going at same speed.
The risk goes up as the speed goes down.

More bull****, Joerg, or at least, more ignorance of data.

Motorcyclists have a fatality per hour rate roughly 30 times higher than
bicyclists. You can't say that risk goes up as speed goes down.


As an engineer you should at least try to find the real reasons. They
can be summed up in videos like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjtjexSg0SM

But by your simplistic statement ("The risk goes up as the speed goes
down") he would be in more danger if he slowed down!


Put your thinking cap on for once. It is obviously the speed
_differential_ that matters. Motorcyclist often go way faster than the
rest of traffic or than is safe. Since they don't have a lot more
protection that cyclists, other than better helmets and maybe leather
suits, they are almost as vulnerable. Except they die more often because
when they crash it's often at high speed.

Without exception all the guys I know who had crashes on motorcycles
didn't have those when flowing with traffic but when they were doing
something stupid. Typically involving speed and acceleration.

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Regards, Joerg

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