On Saturday, August 10, 2019 at 7:40:28 AM UTC+2, James wrote:
On 10/8/19 9:26 am, Tom Kunich wrote:


James, I ride Record with the occasional Chorus piece when a Record
part is unavailable. But I put together and ride Shimano bikes as
well. I will tell you flat out that Shimano shifts better and remains
shifting better over its lifetime. And if you're careful to keep it
clean that is a hell of a long time.

Campy starts wearing the shifting ratchet from day one and by the end
of a year or two it is constantly making noise shifts up and down.
Moreover after they start a new series they do not make repair parts
for the older groups. Some small companies make a living of buying up
repair components and making a profit on them after a couple of
years.

You cannot even get a Record triple any more. Since Campy isn't
supposed to shift larger than a 28 cog (29 is stretching it) a triple
was good for people incapable of riding up steep hills. I even was
given a 28 and 26 ring for use on a Record Triple.

I appear to be getting in shape finally after a bad start of the
year, so I am climbing pretty hard stuff in the 34-28 but why would
you cast aside an entire group of people to appeal to the Snob Set?

With an Ultegra group you can make many more choices of gear ratios
double and triple. And as I said, the shifting is so much better I
can't understand why Campy couldn't get it right.


I've use both too. I still prefer Campagnolo.

On Campagnolo triples...
https://www.campagnolo.com/AU/en/Cam...aur_and_veloce

I guess perhaps Campagnolo see their more expensive gear preferred by
racers, so a triple isn't likely to sell, and people who are more likely
to want a triple also tend to buy less expensive gear.

That is something I don't understand. Look who can and does buy the most expensive bikes(stuff). That are middle aged people with a good income/pension, no kids to take care of anymore. They are not the most powerful people and no racers. That is where the business is, so why not make one high end triple crankset? Who is going to put a Veloce triple crankset on a for the rest Super Record equipped bike? I don't, so a struggle with a 50/36 and 11/32 gearing but for me that is not low enough for the Kitzbuhler Horn, Mortirolo or Angliru.


Shimano shifting is so much better? I don't agree.

I ride both and I can't say that one or the other shifts better. It shifts differently but with Shimano less force is needed. That is not the same as 'shifting better'. All my shifts with Shimano and Campagnolo set ups are fast and precise. If Tom's Campy setup doesn't shifts well something else is wrong and Campy shifting certainly doesn't deteriorates from day 1.

Lou