On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 8:05:47 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 07:31:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 5:47:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 12:00:14 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:05:25 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:

Destructive? Exercise? Swinging a pick for eight hours a day. Or doing
any other manual labour. How so?

Well, it's plain that you've never worked.

Quite the contrary. I grew up on a small New England farm where most
of the work was done by hand. Ditches for water pipes were 6 feet deep
to get below the frost line, hay for the animals was cut with a mowing
machine and then tedded, loaded on wagons and mowed away by hand.

I did "chores" commensurate with my size from the time I was 6 or 7
years old. Shoot, everybody did. Didn't they?

Yup, that paraphrases Winston Churchill, who actually said " Indeed it
has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except
for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

But still, the basic problem with democracy is the politician gets up
and says, "Vote for me." The audience says, "Why?"

As for capitalism.... what else is there?

There is socialism as described by Marx and Lenin.

Which doesn't work. China's current prosperity is largely due to a
disabling of the original state run economy and now incorporates a
modified capitalistic system.

John, enough of your bull****. I know what happens to people who swing picks 8 hours a day. The human body is not designed for that sort of thing and you end up like my brother with a degraded bone structure in your back and legs like my brother.


I can comment on your relatives but I've know a great many people that
worked their entire life without the problems you describe. I had a
great uncle that had been a fireman on ships, shoveling coal by hand,
and was in his late 60's or early 70's when he worked a while for my
father. I watched him mow around a 2 acre field with a hand scythe -
that is about 400 yards a lap. He'd keep a bottle of water in one
corner and stop for a drink when he got reached that corner.

My grandfather raised chickens, about 3,000 of them usually, with no
help at all. He heated the house with wood for years and spent every
September cutting wood with an axe and a hand saw and hauling it home
and stacking it in the "wood house".

I could go on but why bother, it was common when I was a young fellow
to see people work. I might add that the great uncle died at 86, my
grandfather at 87.

You believe that people can work like that even though with the reduction of such labor the human lifespan has increased by 50%.

Yup it sure has. Taking people from the earliest days in the U.S.
who's lives were well documented we have Thomas Jefferson, 83 when he
died, John Adams was 90, George Washington was a young 67 - but he
died due to blood loss from the then popular medical procedure of
bloodletting, George Wythe was 80, Paul Revere was 83 and Ben Franklin
was 84.

Current U.S. male life expectancy seems to be 79.3 and one article
states that it is decreasing.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/22/us-l...o-by-2030.html

Essentially it says that "Notable among poor-performing countries is
the USA, whose life expectancy at birth is already lower than most
other high-income countries, and is projected to fall further behind
such that its 2030 life expectancy at birth might be similar to the
Czech".

It's pretty plain that dementia or whatever is taking it's toll on you. Tell me again how the military lied to me.

If dementia has overtaken me it apparently has overtaken the majority
of the world's data gathering agencies also.

John - you continue to pretend that somehow the USA should have a lifespan the equal of the Norway or Switzerland when those countries are racially fixed and the USA has people coming in from all over the world. "From birth" is a lie. They simply take the age at death and the number of births and calculate a lifespan that has little to nothing to do with the actual lifespan of an American citizen born and bred.

But that dementia appears to serve you well for using statistics that are meaningless but which you can twist to your own requirements.