What you think you know argues strongly for it being a waste
of time since you are unable to think clearly about the simplest
things.

I don't make any great claims to erudition ... but I do know the
basics whereas you clearly don't.* No one with an ounce of statistical
knowledge would ever try citing instances of a particular outcome without
reference to the frequency in the population.

I only do that sort of thing if I take a number seriously,
which I have never been able to do with any of your numbers. Common sense reigns
supreme with me ... and your statistics be damned!

I didn't ask you to take my numbers ... I asked YOU to provide some in order to justify your position. You appear to be unable to do so.

I reiterate my key point; bereft a reference to the number of exposures to a given activity simply providing cases of untoward occurrences tell you nothing about the risk level.

Nope, I tried it once, didn't like it and decided it was

stupid.* I then stumbled upon Mr. Vandeman's posts on Usenet many
decades

later and was confirmed in my thinking. You on the other hand have a
stupidity

that is unconquerable.

I rest my case.* Just because you don't like something
doesn't mean it's stupid, just that you don't like it.

It means I am capable of changing my mind based on personal
experience and the judgment of my betters. Too bad no one could ever say the
same about you!

Well, I've bettered you logically on all your major points but I don't see you changing your mind ... so clearly you are rather more intransigent than you opine.

There is plenty to be said for allowing people to choose ...
I

would far rather ride a trail than a road.* It's safer, the
scenery is

better, the air is cleaner and I am out enjoying nature.



The above statement is proof positive that you are steeped in

idiocy. It is more dangerous, there is plenty of scenery available on
roads, the

air is the same everywhere and you are NOT enjoying nature ... you are


desecrating nature. Find another arena for your sport of mountain


biking.

*

No, Ed, you're the one showing idiocy here.* The statistics
for cyclist deaths on the road are orders of magnitude greater than for
mountainbiking.* You are advocating a much more dangerous activity simply
because you don't want people to mountainbike.* At the same time, you
pretend that you're concerned about injuries and deaths to mountainbikers ...
what hypocrisy.

Road cycling is indeed dangerous which is why I am a great
advocate of bicycle paths. The only mountain bikers I am concerned about are the
innocent lambs who do it thinking it is safe. They think it is safe because of
scoundrels like you who advocate for it.

[...]

*

You are absolutely the greatest idiot it has ever been my

displeasure to encounter on Usenet. Here it is again, you dumb

jackass:



"In any event, road cyclists are not being seriously injured and dying
from

hitting hazards in the roadway, unlike cyclists who ride trails."
-* Ed Dolan

*

You aren't showing a lot of greatness, or even comprehension
Ed.* Do you really not understand that the precise mechanism for injury or
death is completely irrelevant ?* Road cyclists are, mostly, getting killed
or injured by being hit by other traffic, rather than hitting obstacles.*
However, they are being killed and injured at a massively higher rate than
mountainbikers.

Road cycling has been around from the beginning. It is not
something anyone can do much about. The solution is to separate cyclists from
motorists. Bike paths are the answer, although they can sometimes create other
kinds of difficulties. My argument is all about the precise mechanism of injury
and death.* I am not arguing that road cycling is safer than mountain
biking. Nice try though! However, I am arguing that hiking is about a thousand
times safer than mountain biking.

Ed, you seem incapable of following a coherent train of thought.

In response to my statement ... "I would far rather ride a trail than a road. It's safer, the scenery is better, the air is cleaner and I am out enjoying nature."

you wrote

"It is more dangerous, there is plenty of scenery available on roads, the
air is the same everywhere and you are NOT enjoying nature ... you are
desecrating nature. Find another arena for your sport of mountain
biking."

So, yes, you most certainly DID try and claim that road cycling was safer than mountainbiking a trail. Which, as you well know, is NOT the case. Do you want to just debate yourself with your various contrary positions ?