On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:03:53 +0200, "Dave Stocker"
wrote:
|"P e t e F a g e r l i n" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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| |- Only active if rider remains seated (rider stands on swing arm when
|out
| of
| |saddle) bad?
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| Not necceessarily.
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|
| Actually true.
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| Actually false. The Ibis Bow Ti is active when you are out of the
| saddle. Less active than when you are seated, but active nonetheless.
|
|
|Holy Cow! That monstrosity is a URT? I have never seen this thing in real
|life, but I found this picture.
http://www.soresaddle.com/ibisbowbi.jpeg
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|OK, lets define URT before we go any further.
How can you define something when you apparently don't understand what
bikes are URTs?
If you defined it as variable
|BB-saddle distance, then yes, it would be a URT. But titanium monstrosities
|are not comparable to pivot based bikes made with relatively inflexible
|materials.
Again, you are discussing things that you apparently have no
experience with.
From the fact that it is ti and a look at the layout, I think I
|get the basic principal of how it works*. Calling this bike a URT would be
|like cutting the seatstay out of a Scalpel or Unicoi (or most hardtails for
|that matter) and redefining them as URT bikes.
Uh, you're just digging yourself deeper and deeper.
I would define unified rear
|triangle as a pivot based bike with the BB on the rear triangle. In this
|definition of URT, when you get out of the saddle, you are standing on the
|rear triangle and holding on to (in a roundabout way) the front triangle.
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|*It appears to be a big leaf spring. When you sit on it, you add a
|considerable preload and thus it is not very active.
Uh, again, you're just digging yourself deeper and deeper.
When you stand, you
|are unloading that preload. It looks clever. Has anyone here ever ridden
|one? Nevertheless, IMHO, it is inappropriate to label this thing URT.
LOL.
Educate yourself:
http://www.math.chalmers.se/~olahe/Bike/Rear/urt.html
http://www.titusti.com/techtalk.html
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/F...7/fullsus.html
To answer your question, yes, I'm pretty sure that someone in this NG
has ridden a Bow Ti.