On 2018-06-29 08:26, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 7:21:00 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:

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Yes, lord over them and drive up the land value. Larry Cameron
made a bundle off a cow pasture. To create a CSD, you have to
have buy-in from the existing residents -- so apparently, the one
resident business -- a cow pasture -- was not complaining.


You bet they were. While on a bike ride I saw a old man gazing at a
new development. I wanted to check it out as well so we got to
talk. He was born and raised here and his family dates way back to
before this area was built out. He was ****ed that he had to shell
out north of $30k in lawyer fees and still lost his eminent domain
case. In fact, in the end his lawyer suggested to pull the plug.

The eastern part of Cameron Park has plenty of such families
because that was a properous freight transfer location in the gold
rush. When Larry wasn't born yet.

Eminent domain is taking by the government and not private
development.


Get real. Often it works like this: Developer proposes something
mega-big. Board starts tapping on the calculators, then some beging to
salivate. "That would mean this much more in taxes!" - Eminent domain
process soon starts.


... Your wistful old man probably spent his money trying to
prevent the development by challenging a zoning change that allowed
PUDs or some sort of high density development.


Exactly, that's what I mean. You live in the boonies, development
encroaches, zoning restrictions come in and your lovely remote location
and freedome is largely gone.


The Cameron Park CSD is 8.3 square miles, so I question how much of
the land you mention is in the CSD rather than unincorporated El
Dorado County. Counties having land-use planning authority, too.
Down with counties!


Sure, counties do it as well.


Examples are plentiful. Such as airports that date back almost
to Lindbergh yet when developments went in they wer closed down
or are under that threat for noise "pollution". Same with farms
or food producers that have been there almost since the gold
rush and now they get in trouble because some "urban cowboys"
that should have stayed in the city moved into the country and
can't bear the stench.

Nothing could land at a Lindbergh era airport except maybe a
Cesna 150. Yes, zoning can change, there are some odd-ball
California cases where people brought nuisance claims against
existing uses like a pig farm. Del Webb won a big one, but its an
outlier. Much, but not all, zoning improves land values, and
depending on the planning entity, it protects farm and forest.
That is an land use goal in Oregon. Your little community is
immune from change because of the CC&Rs, but I'm sure you'd enjoy
it if a pig farm moved in next door. Go to a zero zoning
jurisdiction and feel the love of pig farms next to skyscrapers
next to toxic waste dumps, etc.


As a young kid I lived near a pig farm. The "scent" didn't bother
me and I could visit the animals which was fun. Only when they
slaughtered some that was hard to take. It was done the
old-fashioned style.

There are plenty of pig farms left that you could live near.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...stry-pig-farms


I don't want to but it never bothered me. I am not a pampered city
dweller and plan not to become one.



You could always go full Kaczynski and live in a 10 X 10
shack on some forgotten BLM land in the Badlands and not live
in an airpark/golf course community with CC&Rs up the butt.
I'm sure you would enjoy that. Plenty of room for beer
brewing.


They'd even threaten you out there if someone with a big bank
account decided to turn swaths of land around you into a
"senior adventure living community" or whatever.

And then your 10X10 shack is worth $1M. Worry about being
condemned for a road or dam.


There are people who don't want money, they want to be left alone
like they used to be. They want to enjoy true freedom.

Get a black and white TV and imagine the past that never existed.


The family of a friend of mine back in high school had no TV at all at
home. Not because they were poor, no, they had a well-running nursery
business. Now that he has a wife and kids and all they keep it the same
way. They cycle together, climb together, hike, outdoors all the time.
TV means nothing to them. My own TV consumption consists of the evening
news (sans the sports part) and the occasional Western from a recording.
That's it.


Plus, you can take $1M, invest wisely and then move to some place
with a PO box where you can get your checks -- because you won't have
any clients, internet access, running water, electricity, beer
supplies, FedEx for your FleaBay and Amazon purchases, etc., etc.
Maybe somewhere in Nevada.


Air freight goes to very remote places and wherever they go I can live
and work. Except I am in the process of retiring so if there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwIQk8vuN1M

For Internet there's Hughes Net (satellite), for water there are pumps,
for electricity there is solar plus Li-Ion. You can always grow your own
barley and malt it but Midwest Supplies sends everywhere for a flat fee.
Fedex goes just about everywhere.

If I had my druthers I'd live on a Carribean island.


https://www.ctbto.org/uploads/tx_ctb...raters_mod.jpg
Build a nice shack out of blast debris from the model towns.


I want more interesting MTB turf. Maybe Southern Utah some day.

--
Regards, Joerg

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