On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 06:06:25 GMT, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
wrote:

In uk.politics.misc Joe wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:35:54 +0100
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
In uk.politics.misc Ophelia wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

Yes, I agree! Many times when I have been stopped at traffic
lights, I see cyclists continuing straight through!!!

QED. This belief that cyclists 'don't stop at red lights' (or
that they fail to stop at red lights at a rate greater than car
drivers) is so absolutely and firmly entrenched in the car
driver's psyche, that it has been elevated almost to the level
of absolute truth. The sun rises in the east. Water boils at
100° C. 1+1=2. Cyclists don't stop at red lights.

Except that it isn't true. It's quite fascinating - not only
that so many people can believe so fervently in a falsehood that
is becomes almost like a religion. But equally fascinating is
that public policy can be decided based on this complete
fantasy.

Except that it is true. At the moment, Whitechapel station has a
temporary entrance opposite a traffic-light pedestrian crossing
across the A11. A while ago, I had occasion to cross the road
there four times a week for a month or so.

More than half the time, at least one cyclist, sometimes half a
dozen would cross the crossing at about 20mph while I was walking
across. I never looked round, so I don't know if the same was
happening the other side of the road, but I see no reason to
assume otherwise.

On the other side of the road from Whitechapel station is the
Royal London Hospital, so a fair percentage of the pedestrians
were not too steady on their feet. I never actually saw a
collision, nor do I know how many of the bicycles had brakes, but
the riders were universally what my daughter, a cyclist herself,
calls 'feral' cyclists. Big helmets, heads down, oblivious to the
world around them...

So don't lie.

Agreed! He can dream all he likes but I do see them and they are
always as you describe - Ferals!

Remarkable! This is fascinating! Do you see unicorns prancing
around the fields too?

This really is fascinating. Two people who if asked would no doubt
consider themselves sane, rational and intelligent, but both
absolutely convinced of the prevalance of a phenomonem which in fact
is extremely rare. And both of them completely immune to reason.
The capacity for delusion is almost awe-inspiring.

Are you really sure you want to try to prove a negative? What are you
offering in lieu of evidence?

What _is_ it about the right and its complete inability to grasp
logic?

Oh, wait. The right. I just answered my own question.

_You_ are asserting a greater prevalance of 'bad behaviour' on the
part of cyclists than car drivers. _You_ provide the proof - which
you have steadfastly refused to do, relying on anecdotal evidence,
just like WS/Incubus.

They may not do it where you live, but they certainly do here. The
crossing I mention is an extreme case: it's a wide, busy road with
those blue cycle paths on both sides, and there's no motor traffic
crossing it there, so from a cyclist's point of view there's little
reason to stop at the red light.

Anecdotal evidence, i.e. totally irrelevant.

Next !

Y.

I'm not sure that your support for cycling alongside your fanatical anti-
Palestinan views helps us here. Thanks anyway.

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.