On 3/26/2018 10:45 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-25 10:57, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Second, repeating a propaganda line doesn't make it true. There are
plenty of places where "they built it" but almost nobody came using
bikes. And there are places and times when lots of people began using
bikes despite absolutely no increase in special bike infrastructure.


One can always find a hair in the soup some place. Fact is, properly
design bike facilities can increase ridership, bike time.

Perhaps sometimes, in some places, some bike facilities "can" increase
ridership. But that's not the propaganda claim. The claim by you and
other facility sellers is without qualification, that they absolutely
"will" come. It's false. There are certainly examples where bike
facilities made no difference in ridership.

LAB's recent lists of state's and city's bike commuting share make that
clear. Only Oregon (barely) exceeds 2% bike mode share. Only five other
states exceed 1%.

Oddly, their list of 70 large cities with _highest_ bike mode share
includes Charlotte, NC, with a bike mode share of zero percent! (It's
like a kindergartener's trophy for showing up!) LAB found a way to add
Plano TX and Memphis TN to its bragging lists, even though each city has
a bike mode share of 0.1%.

I know that you, Joerg, think 0.1% is great for the U.S. But it's not.

My main worries on shoulders are 1) debris, and 2) rumble strips
preventing me from avoiding debris. I've described briefly moving to a
shoulder to make passing easier for a following vehicle, and immediately
getting a flat as a reward. The regular lane gets nicely swept clean by
car tires.


If you are not riding on a wide enough shoulder or bike lane the next
sheriff's deputy is likely going to stop and ticket you.

Baloney.

That's the law in California.

It's been discussed thoroughly. The law has plenty of exceptions, and
tickets are almost nonexistent.

You're asking for an eight mile segregated bike path along a minor
county road? Should that happen on every minor county road? How many
trillion or quadrillion dollars should be allotted to projects like
that?


Only one cycling artery is needed, more or less along Highway 50.

IOW, you want YOUR special segregated bike path because YOU want to ride
there.

It is odd that the State of California hasn't realized how special and
deserving you are. Those darned penny pinchers!


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- Frank Krygowski