On 18/10/12 06:32, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Oct 17, 11:51 am, David Scheidt wrote:
In rec.bicycles.tech Dan O wrote:
:On Oct 17, 9:07 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:

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: andhttp://www.portlandmercury.com/images/blogimages/2012/10/16/135040395...

:http://www.portlandmercury.com/image...0/16/135040395...

:snip

:
: The letter's interesting. Since the green paint in the bike boxes is
: not magically protecting people when they're to the right of a right
: turning vehicle, Portland has a new plan: _Dashed_ green paint!
:

:It *is* interesting. "Bicycle use and volumes have increased
:significantly since the treatments were installed", and "Police
:investigation and reporting practices have changed since the
:treatments were installed, resulting in a higher rate of reporting for
:bicycle involved crashes".

:The 4 locations responsible for the increase are all downhill (?)
:Hmmm... might this be what experiments are for?

:The remaining 7 locations had a decrease in right hook crashes, even
:though use and volumes have increased significantly since the
:treatments were installed (?)

Don't expect rational discussion of safety from Frank. He knows what
the answers are. Facts will just infuriate him.

Reading the article, the problem is not with bike boxes but is with
bike lanes -- riders remaining in the bike lane when approaching a
green light. In that situation, the right turning car has to yield to
the bicyclist and is, in effect, turning from the second lane over.
The problem is that car don't know that, nor do they look for traffic
approaching on the right. One day they might, but now they don't.

So, we have the classic example of someone being legally "right" but
getting smushed anyway. The q


This is so very important to the family left to deal with a corpse. ;-)

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JS