On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 5:36:14 AM UTC-5, wrote:
You're f****** nuts....All these places beat the **** out of Cameron Park..

Jay, you really don't know what you're talking about. As one who has lived in both places, I am here to attest to the fact that cycling in and around the Sierra foothills has Bay Area cycling beat all to hell. It's probably the best cycling area in the entire country. The Bay Area is too freaking crowded.

I can understand people having different preferences. But Joerg has posted
photos of roads in his area that look like paradise to me. Trouble is, he
says they show how deadly road riding is. That makes no sense.

- Frank Krygowski