On 2017-12-04 18:43, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/4/2017 4:00 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-12-04 12:39, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/4/2017 2:26 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-12-03 14:34, jbeattie wrote:

What is causing this bike market downturn?

It MUST be fake news! You, Joerg, have assured us that by building bike
trails we'd get millions of Americans to give up their cars forever. And
every year, more segregated kiddy paths have been built. Some cities
have doubled their bike mode share, all the way from 0.2% to 0.4%!
That's like a 100% increase!


Sure it is, and for America that is quite big. Weren't you the guy
always touting the health benefits? Calculate the health Dollars saved
here.

My little suburban village has a population of about 3000.


That hardly needs bike paths. I never advocated building them in such
small communities, just as I'd never be a fan of building one in our
neighborhood where we have enough side streets.

Again, my case for bike paths is on major thoroughfares where it's
almost bumper to bumper during peak hours.


... If there were
a 0.2% increase in bike mode share, that would mean six new riders. For
a segregated bike path, one million dollars per mile is a bit on the
cheap side of things.


Tell the folks to learn from the folks in Nebraska how to build those
for much less:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...8293/table/t1/


... So how much should the village spend on kiddie
paths to improve the health of six people?


Open your horizon and think about all the other communities. Here we
have almost a million people between the Sacramento Valley and the
Sierra Foothills. Probably about 1.5% ride. That's 15000 people.


So I'm not going to believe any biased communist industry data. I _know_
bike sales have skyrocketed! Those bike dealers are not reporting sales
so they can cheat on their taxes.


We were talking about the Silicon Valley. I can imagine that cycling
down there isn't exactly fun. Up here in the Sierra foothills bike
sales are brisk. Else successes such as these would not happen:

http://teamcycleandtscafe.com/contact-about-us/1768830

http://www.bisonbikes.com/

So you have two bike shops, one in business for about 12 years, and one
that just opened? And we're supposed to be impressed?


For a community under 20000 people, yes.


Let's give it a few years. Bike shops come and bike shops go, just like
other businesses.

Jay mentioned Tom Ritchey, Keith Bontrager, Jim Blackburn, Jim Gentes
and Mike Sinyard. I can mention Arni Nashbar. All those people did big
things in the bicycling business. It's weird that you demean them as
being mere "famous people" but want us to be impressed by a couple tiny
shops, one of which is still wet behind the ears.


I didn't demean anyone. I buy stuff at Nashbar. What I am saying is that
knowing such people isn't important to me.

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Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/