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Old August 12th 19, 01:59 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 14:12:43 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
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On Sunday, August 11, 2019 at 4:13:36 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 10:50:46 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Saturday, August 10, 2019 at 3:43:00 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 12:34:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 11:44:47 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote:

I'm wondering if that was ever true?
From what I've read on modern US gun distribution, while the averages
might indicate that, the major problem is the large "collections' of guns
with out the same number of fingers to pull triggers

WW II should have ended any such doubts. There were nearly 2 million
Americans involved in the D-Day landings. That was larger than the
entire Japanese Army for one single action.

It seems that Truth really is stranger than Fiction:

https://www.historyonthenet.com/d-day-statistics
The British and Canadians put 75,215 troops ashore, and the Americans
57,500, for a total of 132,715.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperi...t-World_War_II
In 1945 the Imperial Japanese Army was comprised of 5 million active
duty troops in 145 divisions (includes three Imperial Guard).

But on second thoughts, if we assume that the Truth is that Tom simply
doesn't know what he is talking about than Truth becomes the common,
ordinary, facts, while Tom becomes the fiction.

Remember in the "old days"? We had "funny Books" picture stories
extolling heroes like Superman, Batman, Flash Gordon, and all those
"super Heroes"?

Sorry to say, we no longer have the "Funny Books" for kids to collect
and trade, no more fantasy, no more super heroes.

In this modern age the only "fantasy" we have left is Tom.

Also, in case you missed it - the entire Japanese military in 1944 WHEN THEY ATTACKED PEARL HARBOR was 1.7 million men. The possible invasion of America was what we were talking about - or have you forgotten that so soon?


But Tom, the stated intent of the Japanese attack against Pearl Harbor
wasn't to invade the U.S. it was, and was so stated to be, an attempt
to destroy the U.S. Pacific Fleet.

By the way, your figures of 1.7 million men and the possibly invasion
of the U.S. is delusional at best as while the Imperial Japanese Army
strength in 1941 was 1.7 million, in some 51 divisions, 40 divisions
of of these troops were stationed in China.

So for your imaginary invasion of the U.S. some 11 divisions, about
20% of the army was available.

That in 1945 after almost continuous defeat and the looming threat of
American invasion they drafted almost every able bodied Japanese. Most
of them did even know how to hold a rifle let alone shoot one.
Virtually none of them were good for any extraneous jobs such as
maintenance of the Navy or Air Force. The Zero's were falling to
pieces even against the Flying Tigers and there was nothing they could
present against the P-51. Hell, I believe that until half-way through
the Korean War that the F-51 had a much higher kill ratio against
Migs.

I think I'd have to ask for a little backup for that statement as to
my personal knowledge there were no F-51 units assigned to actual air
combat and the units stationed in Korea were assigned to ground
support missions and nothing I've read to date indicates that the F-51
was particularly effective against the Chinese MIG-15's.

Again, you do not surprise me.

--
cheers,

John B.


Methinks that perhaps Tom is confusing the F-51 with the F-86 Sabre jet fighter.

The F-51 even had trouble with the Yak-9 which could out-climb and out-turn the F-51. As far as dealing with Mig-15s goes, the F-51 had very little chance against a Mig-15. From https://warisboring.com/the-p-51-mus...-war-comeback/

"The speedy Soviet jet’s 23-millimeter and 37-millimeter cannons out-ranged the Mustang’s own machine guns and could critically maim most aircraft with a single explosive hit. Over-matched in almost every way, the only way for a Mustang pilot to survive was to turn into the oncoming MiG and fly straight under its flight path and escape."

Cheers


At the beginning of the Korean war the U.S. did mobilize some F-51's
to Korea, primarily for ground support. As for the mig-15's their
performance and armament was pretty much superior to everything that
the USAF had at the beginning of the war. Even the F-86 was not
substantially superior to the mig, in aerodynamics. And while the F-86
carried six M-3 .50-caliber machine-guns, the MiG-15 carried two 23mm
and one 37mm cannon. In U.S. terms that would be 2 each 0.90" cal
cannons and one 1.45" cannon.

The mig's speed was higher than the fire control system of the
RB-29's, that I worked on, could compute.

The F-100 may have been equal or maybe even superior but they came a
bit later in the conflict.
--
cheers,

John B.

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