On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 4:55:32 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 4:10:02 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:

Licensed murder on the scale it is committed every year in America isn't a partisan matter for anyone who has a conscience.

Murder is definitional -- and if it is licensed, it is not murder.

That's a not particularly bright sophism which has the subtext, Man is just another animal, so it is all right to kill human babies in the womb for veal. Try a Baby Schnitzel made with Emmenthaler and Parma ham. Enjoy!

Anyone with principles knows killing people is wrong. Foetuses are people by any definition.

Whether one can murder a fetus in the US varies from state to state. The religious and historical prohibition on murder was to maintain social peace and order. The Fifth Commandment did not apply to a fetus, at least not absolutely and not according to the Jews -- whose God god wrote the rule (although the original was lost for many years until found by Stephen Spielberg.) Regrettably, Catholics and conservative Christians have pushed for prohibition as an article of faith and without regard to what becomes of the fetus once born, and in fact Christian conservatives bemoan the "welfare state."

Does it hurt to blow clear Perspex through your ass when you hoped to blow obscuring smoke?

Well, you can't have it both ways.

It's not me trying to have it both ways, it's the Democrat Party, the feminists, NARAL, the abortionist themselves, and the other eugenicists, all of them aborting overwhelmingly black babies. The whole affair is the racist culmination of Margaret Sanger's eugenic nightmare of killing the underclasses like vermin, a fine case of the hypocrisy of the Left in trying to have their murderous cake and eat it too or, in your phrase, having it both ways..

And that counts double for those elements of the Left who have campaigned for both abortion and the abolition of the death penalty for criminals.

Personally, I think that anyone who stays in the Democrat Party, or contributes money to it since several years ago, ar passes the litmus test for membership of unquestioning support for abortion right up to and after birth, is by definition a murderer. But that's just me, and many tens of millions of other people with their brains in gear, and their principles held clearly.

If you want to prohibit abortion, you better have a plan for that child once born.

How about welfare arrangements that don't destroy families, as The Great Society has broken up two generations of black families.

Perhaps we can send them all to Ireland. How's space looking at your place?

You're murdering American babies to make space for uninvited invaders? And you want the Irish to help out by taking some of your people so you can take in more uninvited invaders?

All these abortions have made the defenders of abortion quite irrational, and that's putting it mildly. I think you're all certifiable.

The US has plenty of space, and jobs too, for its own children. Just stop the nonsense of an open border and decriminalising illegal entry.

-- Jay Beattie.

And stop hating Americans just because they will be born Americans; that's exactly ground zero for anti-semitism, with American foetuses substituted for Jews. Even Stalin, outside wartime, never killed as many of his own people as the Americans do every year by abortion.

Some people deserve to die. They include abortionists and abortion fanatics, among several classes of violent criminals. They do not include babies in the womb or out of it.

Joseph Goebbels would be proud of the flack job the Democrat Party has done in normalising a vicious, continuing mass murder.

Andre Jute
Let's celebrate diverse--- er, near-homogeneity in abortions!