On 4/14/2021 5:08 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 12:51:02 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/14/2021 2:05 PM, jbeattie wrote:

And where do you find these dopes? By the time people get to the club or group ride level, they generally have a fundamental understanding of the traffic laws -- and if they don't, they generally understand that they should follow the other riders. Do you actually have participants riding on the other side of the road?
No, Jay, you're confused. I never said the people riding wrong way were
members of our club. Our members know at least that much, although some
need to learn some details. (There are always new folks joining.)

I've found the wrong-way dopes riding on my street, riding in upscale
residential neighborhoods near me, riding on residential collectors a
mile or two away, riding on the main streets in the city center, riding
the roads in the big metropark, riding near the university, riding on
suburban shopping arterials - you name it. And it's not just my area. I
remember riding a solo century in middle Pennsylvania and having to deal
with a wrong-way rider coming at me on a busy road. I said "You're on
the wrong side of the road!" so he chewed me out.

Especially ironic was the group of about five middle aged guys riding in
an upscale neighborhood near me at night. All five riding wrong way, not
a headlight among them. But they knew about safety! They all had helmets!

I see tons of cyclists every day, well at least I did before the plague, and the only people riding on the wrong side of the road were homeless or DUII cyclists on BMX bikes -- or just assholes, like the guy headed straight at me doing a wheelie. I can't remember the last wrong-way cyclist who didn't fit into one of those categories. Maybe Ohio needs better driver's training.

I'm sure Ohio needs better training of both drivers and cyclists. But if
you claim the only salmon riders you've seen really were smelly sub
human types (am I putting words in your mouth?) I think you're
forgetting more than a few. The behavior isn't seen every day, but it's
common enough to have its own nickname.

True story: The last salmon rider I saw was out my window about two or
three days ago. She was a middle aged woman in normal clothes, not
cycling clothes. She was riding an upright handlebar "comfort bike",
heading south on my street, then turning left into the street that forms
a T intersection and continued on the left until she was out of sight.
Given our community, she was probably middle to upper class.

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- Frank Krygowski