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Old July 11th 09, 01:17 PM posted to alt.religion.scientology,soc.culture.ukrainian,alt.clearing.avatar,soc.culture.turkish,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
Monica Pignotti
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Default Monica Pignotti: Y KANT JEAN B LISENSED?

On Jul 11, 8:03*am, f squared wrote:
Saifee Durbar has a vision for Africa.

He plans to build a railway linking Africa’s west coast (Cameroon)
with the east coast (Sudan).

The railroad will go through the Central African Republic. The
minerals there will be used to build part of the railroad-the
beginning of the long road to self sufficiency!

Saif Durbar has worked it all out, and intends to do it in such a way
as to improve the situation in Darfur as much as possible.

For more information…

http://saifdurbar.wordpress.com/

http://saifeedurbar.wordpress.com/


Thanks for showing us how far off the deep end you've gone.
Your spam with my name on it does nothing to refute the facts on
the following webpages where AT proponents were quoted in their own
words, with fair use, properly cited quotations:

http://www.childrenintherapy.org/pro.../federici.html
http://www.childrenintherapy.org/pro.../randolph.html
http://www.childrenintherapy.org/pro.../feinberg.html
http://www.childrenintherapy.org/proponents/keck.html
http://www.childrenintherapy.org/proponents/thomas.html

Here's another one from the page on Federici:
"Total Adults Only. Isolation from any type of activity, friend or
other sibling. Early bedtime, no talking to others, no television,
play or any type of recreational activity. No hiding out in their room
which is often preferred. Must stay in immediate sight and close
proximity of parents or responsible adult at all times. Hard labor
activities occupying any and all free time. Awakening early to begin
work. Writing assignments or boring, repetitive tasks. Absolutely no
stimulation. If parents must leave to go places, child must accompany
them but not engage in any discussion or distraction. Again, Total
Adults supervision, isolation and continual hard work is [sic] of
paramount importance …"
Ronald Federici — Help for the Hopeless Child (2003), p. 199

and then there's Liz Randolph, author of the RADQ, a bogus assessment
tool that has no published evidence to support its reliability and
validity that Becker-Weidman used in his study (just one of numerous
flaws Jean Mercer and I critiqued). Here are some of Randolph's words:
"Attachment therapy sessions usually last 2-3 hours … the therapist
may speak loudly to children or yell at children to encourage the
expression of those feelings. The therapist may simultaneously nurture
children by stroking their hair or face … may occasionally kiss
children … also tickle children … as a way of gaining access to and
deepening feelings …"
Elizabeth Randolph — Children Who Shock and Surprise (1999), p. 37

"If the child begins to struggle physically (which some children do
when they discover that the therapist is in control), the therapist
will hold onto the child’s outside hand or arm (the child’s inside arm
is tucked behind the therapist’s back), and may ask someone else to
hold onto the child’s legs so the child can’t kick the therapist."
Elizabeth Randolph — Children Who Shock and Surprise (1999), p. 38

Again, did she or did she not write these things and did Arthur
Becker-
Weidman use her RADQ in his study or did he not? Hint: He did. Does
the RADQ have any evidence published in reputable peer reviewed
journals to support its reliability and validity? No it does not. It
has no more evidence than the OCA.

There's lot's more from Liz at http://www.childrenintherapy.org/pro.../randolph.html

The question is, did they or did they not write these things? If they
did, then it doesn't matter what Larry Sarner's past is, although thus
far the only documentation you have provided is a 12 year old civil
case. Even if you were to come up with evidence that Sarner was a
convicted murderer doing time in prison, which of course is not true
but even if it were, it would not change the facts that are reported
above one iota. Did Federici, Randolph, Feinberg, Keck, Thomas, and
others write what they wrote or didn't they? That is the issue you
evade with your lame invocation of logical fallacy.

Monica
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