On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 08:23:53 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 10:32:44 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 07:16:35 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 8:15:27 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/1/2019 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Aug 2019 20:23:09 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 8/1/2019 7:29 PM, John B. wrote:
I know this is off topic but I don't find the answer anywhere else.

Today's news has Pres. Trump accusing the Chinese of continuing to
sell fentanyl to the United States -- "and many Americans continue to
die!"

But my research shows that fentanyl is a medical drug for the
alleviation of severe pain and as such I would assume to be a
controlled substance. How than, "many Americans continue to die!" ?
--
cheers,

John B.


Like the situation the past few years in Philippines[1],
where legal pharmaceutical stimulants were suddenly and
voluminously exceeded by imported methamphetamine from the
Norks, Red China and a new domestic industry, the bulk of
USA street Fentanyl is not rerouted anaesthetic
pharmaceuticals but rather imports from China and China
routed through Mexico.

This is not news:
https://www.news-herald.com/news/ohi...57599081b.html

Since the transfer cost of contraband is relatively fixed by
mass, imports tend to extremely powerful versions and
analogs, notably veterinary Carfentanyl

http://www.ottawapublichealth.ca/en/...rfentanil.aspx

[1] As with Mr Trump, Mr Duterte has reacted to a real
problem, You may disagree with either man's policy or style
or rhetoric, but the problems are indeed real. Facts are
stubborn things...

Frankly while the "solution" may seem to be to get the host country to
ban the substance, whatever it may be, in reality that doesn't work.
In the recent past Opium was legally sold in Laos. You could go to the
market and buy it.

Than the U.S. beat the Laotians over the head and got them to outlaw
opium and its depravities and while it was no longer sold in the
market the production of opium and its depravities actually grew and
today it is estimated that Laos and Myanmar (not the major grower of
poppies) produced 893 metric tons of opium, in 2013, a 22 percent
growth from the previous year.

How can this be? Well Europe and the U.S. will buy, albeit illicitly,
just about all the opium products that a small country can produce and
not surprisingly to any student of economics where a market exists a
source will be found to supply it.

The current largest producer of poppies in the world is Afghanistan
with some 225,000 hectares ( 555,987 acres)in production.

What is the solution? Simple, penalize the users. If the demand is
reduced then the supply will also be reduced.

Is it politically possible in a country like the U.S.? Probably not.
--
cheers,

John B.
"What is the solution? Simple, penalize the users."

The net effect of the first hundred years of near-worldwide
heroin ban hasn't worked out all that well. Seems to have
merely kept the price up, encouraging supply.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

And thereby making the rich even richer as they deal it.

I heroin the MAIN reason the USA and Canada went into Afghanistan? LOL VBRG

Cheers

If heroin is the main reason that The U.S. and Canada went into
Afghanistan then they weren't very successful given that Afghanistan
is the single largest producer of Opium and its derivatives in the
world :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

What I meant was did those two countries go into Afghanistan to SECURE the opium poppy trade/source? VBEG

Cheers

Oh! I don't think so, or at last from what I've read, Afganstan is in
the feudal governmental stage of development with Lords, Dukes and
Counts, except that they call them War Lords, owning or controlling
much of the land outside the cities, rather like England in 1066.

And, since the Warlords control most of the country side, and the
population, i.e. soldiers, outside the cities anyone wanting to
control Afghanistan must be friendly with the Warlords and give them
guns to keep them strong and heaps of money to keep them friendly, and
not enquire too deeply into how they run their bailiwick.

And, perhaps the easiest money crop for the Warlords to grow, on their
land, is Opium.

As an aside, almost exactly as Laos in the old Air America days :-)
--
cheers,

John B.