On 2017-11-28 12:59, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:10:06 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-28 11:15, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/28/2017 10:43 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-27 16:03, Frank Krygowski wrote:
What you don't seem to understand is that smelling a diesel
is not equivalent to ingesting a significant amount of
pollution. They are identical only in your imagination.

One of your biggest logical problems is equating your
imagination with actual fact. You stumble over that time and
again.


When you can smell it then it goes into your lungs unless you
stop breathing. Which is hard to do uphill on a bicycle. It's
simple.

No, it's simplistic. There is a big difference between "simple"
and "simplistic." Look it up.


It is simple. Fumes (mostly Diesel soot) - air - cyclist -
lungs.


What I don't accept are opinions whose source are just a
paranoid's imagination.

Then keep riding on roads. It's your lungs, not mine.

I will keep riding on roads, as I have done for well over 60
years now. And I hope everyone else also ignores your paranoid
"Danger! Danger!" crap.


https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ike-blog#img-2



I know, this doesn't truly exist in your world and will never go into
the lungs with the head stuck in the sand.

Odd arguments from someone who takes pride in burning real wood for
his BBQ and who uses a wood stove.


Nope. As I wrote before we have an EPA-approved very clea buring wood
stove. This is its yuonger brother, ours is even lower in particles:

http://www.quadrafire.com/Products/3...od-Insert.aspx

When it burns and is operated correctly you can't smell a thing and
there is no smoke. Unlike on our dog walk when the school bus goes by.


... I bet you inhale more particulates
than I do -- and I ride on the super-dangerous, smoke filled roads in
my city hell. https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/wood-smoke

BTW, Portland air is better than Folsom air today.
https://airnow.gov/index.cfm?action=...30&s ubmit=Go


No surprise. Flsom is in the valley and they get all the crud from
Sacramento and the Silicon Valley.


No data for Cameron Park, which is probably way worse based on its
over-all super-dangerousness.


Usually much cleaner than the valley unless there are forest fires.

This is Los Angeles but when I reach the last peak before I let the road
bike roll down towards the valley my view is similar, brown soup over
the city yet clear where I am:

https://www.ccair.org/wp-content/upl...10/LA-smog.jpg

One of the many reasons I do not want to live (or even work) in a city.
People in cities get so used to it they don't even notice. My
comeuppance was when I returned from a job in Aberdeen (Scotland) to
Duesseldorf (Germany). That is when I realized how unclean the air is
near the river Rhine where the large cities are.


And look at the forecast for Folsom . . . trending toward "moderate."
"Health Message: Unusually sensitive people should consider reducing
prolonged or heavy exertion." Guess those guys in bicycle paradise
shouldn't be riding. For my zipcode: "good." "Health Message:
None." I can ride without fear of respiratory disease!


In city traffic with Diesel engines and all? Dream on.

--
Regards, Joerg

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