Chip C wrote:

Chalo wrote:

Chip C wrote:

Over and above the 3 year thing, where is the shop getting the
no-kickstand rule? I sure don't see that anywhere on Surly's site.

D'oh. Asking improves one's eyesite.
http://surlybikes.com/info_hole/spew..._haul_truckers

So get a bike with a kickstand plate already. I understand the Soma
Saga has one and costs about the same as the LHT.

Or maybe just get the exact kickstand that Surly recommends in the
blurb that the OP's bike shop seems to think prohibits kickstands.

Maybe, but the two-leg Pletscher I have used on several bikes clamps
onto the frame in the same frame-fuxxoring way as normal one--leg
sidestands. I use mine only on bikes that have a kickstand plate.

I put a Hebie-style Y-shaped kickstand on my wife's trailer tow bike,
and after just a few months it has misshapen and made a mess of the
hefty hi-ten steel stays it's mounted to. The way kickstands clamp
on, other than by way of a kickstand plate, is ugly and destructive.
I would most definitely not despoil a nice new frame of decent quality
by crushing it with a kickstand.

Chalo