On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 9:53:50 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Don't complain that Joerg is whining when all you have to do is bring the same subject up at any bike club meeting and you're assaulted by 2/3rds of the group with exactly the same sort of complaints.

Not my bike club.

Then you're in a club of one. I've belonged to three different clubs over 40 years and heard the same complaints over and over.