On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 16:45:11 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 3:21:13 PM UTC-8, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 07:09:38 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 1:01:49 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 6:56:04 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 8:47:57 AM UTC-8, wrote:


I hate to tell you moronic fool - I was a Bomb/Nav technician on B52's. I wasn't supposed to fly on them, but the
stateside bases would send the people they didn't like to Guam
and that meant that the good shop technicians would stay at home.

So that tells us two things about you - you weren't a good technician, and no one liked you. Sometimes things never change. FWIW - I've been to Guam. Not exactly a "hardship tour".

But be sure and tell us all about it from a complete position of ignorance you damn fool.

I know nothing about repairing B-52s, but that wasn't the point, which you've now evaded for the third time.

If there's one thing that's so delightful it's looking at the sort of lunatic crap you spout out of your mouth.

Like....the north vietnamese surrendered? _that_ kind of lunatic crap?

Tell me about these "jungle canopies" while you're stupid enough to say mountains in the same breath you damn fool.

Are you under the impression that there aren't jungles with mountains, or vice versa?

And for the third time now, are you going to tell us you could discern the condition of a road (dirt or not) under a jungle canopy from 5000 feet away?

Or better yet - tell us that B52's bombed from 30,000 ft.

from someone who was the

" The B-52s were restricted to bombing suspected Communist bases in relatively uninhabited sections, because their potency approached that of a tactical nuclear weapon. A formation of six B-52s, dropping their bombs from 30,000 feet, could "take out"... almost everything within a "box" approximately five-eighths mile wide by two miles long. - Neil Sheehan, war correspondent, writing before the mass attacks on heavily populated cities including North Vietnam's capital.

Then there's this, from "Fifty Shades of Friction Combat Climate, B-52 Crews, and the Vietnam War by Mark Clodfelter, Professor of Military Strategy, The National War College at the National Defense University - https://ndupress.ndu.edu/Portals/68/...asestudy-2.pdf :

"B-52s flew between 30,000 and 35,000 feet in three-ship “cells,” where the first bomber led the one behind it by 1 mile, and the third bomber was 1 mile behind the second aircraft (with 500- foot altitude variations among the three, and the second and third bombers offset to the right and left, respectively, of the lead). A formation of two cells could obliterate almost everything inside a rectangular area five-eighths of a mile wide by 2 miles long."

Apparently you're of the opinion that an electro-mechanical computer is of infinite accuracy.

Infinite? no.

We'd still love for you to regale us of how you could discern the condition of a road (dirt or not) under a jungle canopy from 5000 feet away.

I was there. You don't want to believe me that's fine. But then we have seen that you are a moron incapable of anything. You say that there are mountains along that border that are up to 10,000 ft and then say that the Ho Chi Minh trail was under "a jungle canopy". It doesn't occur to you just how sick in your mind you have to be not to even realize what you're typing.

With ME on-board we bombed SAM sites along the demarcation line between North and South. Later they bombed the military bases in the North which is when we lost 6 bombers.

By ALL means tell us what you know from the supposed authority of someone else. Only a scum bag thinks that he can get away with that.

Tom, I was in the 2nd Bomb wing at Barksdale AFB, one of, if not the
first, bomb wing to bomb Vietnam, so I don't have to read about it in
a book, I talked with the people who, actually did it. A good friend
was the EWO on a lead crew and the OIC of the base pistol team that I
was a member of.

As for your claim that you watched bombs being dropped and even was in
the bomb bay during actual bombing raids I would have to say that
sounds like bull****.

I'd guess you would have to have been in the bomb bay as none of the
crew positions in a B-52 G or H had a view of the ground, and during
actual combat crew members would logically be in their seat doing what
they were hired to do, not wandering around the airplane like a
tourist.

However lets make it fair, you tell us what unit you were assigned,
your rank and serial number, and your crew position and your aircraft
commander and the aircraft that you were assigned to, and what base
you were flying out of.

By the way, you do know, I guess that the first bombing raid made by
the B-52's on Vietnam was considered a failure, don't you.

I was 462nd Strategic Aerospace Wing A&E squadron. Larsen AFB and then moved to March AFB before going off to war. You really ought to work on your English comprehension since I never once said I was in the bays when they were dropping bombs. You haven't the slightest idea what that would mean.

This must be your problem with speaking Thai all the time and only getting in your English practice here.

I also said that I worked on B52D's these were upgraded B52C's. Maybe you can run and look it up on Wikipedia and say that I'm wrong because they claim that there were B52E's assigned there. They too were upgraded to B52F's. The E's and F's all looked run down so I don't know what in hell they were used for. Probably only flying Chrome Dome out of Minot.

The N52G's and H's were hardly the same aircraft. Aside from the construction being different, The engines being completely new, the tail being redesigned and the tail gunner position being moved to the forward pressurized compartment, the armament being different and the entire electronics from ECM to Bomb/Nav being and entirely different all electronic system, the ECM identifying and tracking automatically. At the time they did not carry the bomb load of a D. We dropped so many bombs so fast that we ran out of bombs. Instead of 1,000 or 1,500's in the bays and 500's on the wing nacelles, we finally ended up with 2,500's in the bays and 1,500 lbers on the wing nacelles. Does that sound like an unsuccessful project?

I have also stated all of your desired information which you seem to have forgotten. I was 32130L and AF19768158. Now if you cannot decipher that to discover my rank then we can tell you were never in the AF yourself.

Ah Tom, you were a 3 level, and probably a what? Airman 3rd, I can't
remember whether one needed to be a 5 level to be promoted Airman 2nd
or not. So you as an apprentice level craftsman and almost the lowest
possible rank were selected to fly combat missions on a B-53?

Of course you were Tom... in your wildest dreams.


But you, like Frank and Jay, spend all of your time with your heads up your asses while the world passes the three of you by.

Well, perhaps we do. You on the other hand spend all of your time
telling lies and trying desperately to make people think that you are
something more then a miserable failure.

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Cheers,

John B.