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Old May 19th 18, 12:15 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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Default Cyclists hurt seven times more often than figures show

On 18/05/18 17:23, JNugent wrote:
On 18/05/2018 15:27, TMS320 wrote:
On 18/05/18 13:46, JNugent wrote:
On 18/05/2018 12:56, TMS320 wrote:
On 17/05/18 23:52, JNugent wrote:
On 17/05/2018 19:50, TMS320 wrote:
On 17/05/18 17:48, MrCheerful wrote:

It is annoying that everybody's money is thrown in the
wrong direction all the time.

The money comes from a minority. I repeat my post of 21:52
on the 14th.

[quote] This article is a few years old:-

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...-get-back.html



It is estimated that 60% of households are net
beneficiaries of the tax system, getting back more in
benefits than they contribute. The neutral point is a gross
income of between £35,000 and £38,000.

There's a heck of a lot of necessary detail which is being
left out there because it makes the argument far less
convincing when included.

It boils down to dependent children. The more of them a
family has, the more they are in debit to the Exchequer (not
only for CHB and tax credits, but also for primary and
secondary education).

Families with fewer children will meet their "breal-even"
point at a lower level of gross income, and families with no
dependent children at all (eg, before any arrive or after
they have flown the coop) at a lower level of gross income
still.

Yes, it is the nature of populations that there will be spread
around an average.

On the other hand, there's an argument that bringing up
children (the better-socialised the ... er ... better) is of
advantage to society in the mid-term. We will all need our
penions paid for a few more years yet, we hope.

So, many motorists are paying their vehicle taxes with one
hand what they receive from taxpayers with the other. If I
am a beneficiary, then by cycling I am doing taxpayers a
favour. If I am a taxpayer then by cycling I am not giving
away as much to a bunch of freeloaders. [Unquote]

It's plainly not true, but it must be of comfort to cyclists
with small brains.

£6bn in - ved £28bn in - fuel duty £30bn out - tax credits
£56bn out - welfare

You have figures that allow a different conclusion?

Show how the payments in are exclusively - or even nearly so -
made by the people receiving the payments out.


Nobody said anything about exclusivity. You tell me I am wrong and
you insult me, yet you cannot show where I am wrong.


Your "argument" was that car-owners (whom you choose to call
"motorists" as though it were still 1910) are subsidised.


Yes, it is quite plain that a proportion of receipts for motoring taxes
are merely recycled benefits.

So... are you going to provide a different viewpoint or are you just
going to follow your normal habit of repeating using a different set of
words - which often do not reflect what was originally written?

(likewise calling people that ride bicycles "cyclists" and
vehicle tax "road tax".)

You have not even begun to prove it.

And you shan't be able to do so.


You have yet to point out where the error is.
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