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Old December 6th 18, 01:10 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_10_]
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Default "councils could not "babysit everyone on a bike or urge them toslow down"

On 06/12/2018 11:05, TMS320 wrote:
On 06/12/2018 02:01, JNugent wrote:
On 06/12/2018 00:20, TMS320 wrote:
On 05/12/2018 15:25, JNugent wrote:
On 05/12/2018 08:29, Simon Jester wrote:
On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 6:32:10 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:

****ed cyclist on an unlit footpath at midnight, no helmet.
Family try to blame the council for their ****wit's death
from head injuries.

Good luck trying to find a sign encouraging cyclists to negotiate a
flight of concrete stairs, up or down.

I don't need to find a sign encouraging cyclists to use it, the
fact there is no sign prohibiting cyclists from using it is enough.

"There's no sign prohibiting me from cycling down this concrete
staircase so I'm going to do it and it's the council's fault ifIĀ* am
fatally injured".

I expect the way an inquest works is that contributory and mitigating
factors have to mentioned. It doesn't mean that any one tries to
"blame" the council as Cheerless suggested above.


Well... I'm not so sure.


Exactly.

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You're quoting a reporter's version.

Come on, let's be honest about this... he was reportedly "cycling
home" after midnight along a route that will not be marked on maps as
a road and over which a satnav would not direct a cyclist (maybe a
pedestrian).

It is vanishingly unlikely that he had never used the route before if
he was using it to "cycle home" at 2:15 am. It is reasonable to
suppose that he knew full well that this pedestrian access had at
least two flights of steps along its length (he'll have been at least
as aware as anyone else of the local changes in level and the need for
steps or ramps).


I don't think it is "vanishingly unlikely" that a person can know about
a route but has no reason to use it normally. It was the middle of May
and a warm night, after all, and probably no rush to get home. It's a
nice time to be out exploring...


....whilst around three times over the alcohol limit (for driving). Yes -
what could be more natural or normal than exploring in the dark (which
is exactly the point) whilst ...er ... inebriated?

When they refurbished M4 junction 11 they also provided a maze of
foot/cycle bridges. In one direction one rides up a ramp up where it is
necessary to turn sharp right. Directly straight on, steps go down.

https://goo.gl/maps/JbFGrfxVES52

It cannot be seen until the platform is reached and there is nothing
except a little sign attached to the railing (the back of which can be
seen in the picture). I know this trap exists somewhere in the maze but
no matter how many times I have used it, I still have to think about it.
Things also look different in the dark (even when well lit) compared to
day.




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