On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 10:10:59 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 9:13:45 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 7:15:19 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 7:39:26 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:

Are you telling me that a Thai can go to a clinic and have a $500,000 panoramic x-ray taken of his jaw? How many of these clinics are there? How many doctors trained in doing a sinus lift that requires donated bone material to achieve? That requires three different medications before and afterwards top stave off infections?

Yup. Anything that the doctor orders. Specifically a panoramic x-ray I
do not know but if the government hospitals have the device then yes.
free.

You don't seem to be following me John. The numbers and costs of spectacular medical instruments in the USA is staggering. And these will often be in a private doctor's office. These are not available in Thailand any more than they are in European villages or even in Great Britain outside of the major cities.

The weakness of socialized medicine is that it cannot afford the advancements.

Hmmm. Seems like Thailand has a thriving MRI medical tourism business. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=-nt4-tavqXU

MRI units are more common in Japan than the US.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ts-by-country/ Note that Japan has "socialized insurance" and the cost of medical care is regulated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health...ystem_in_Japan

Panoramic x-ray machines are mundane. You can buy on on the internet. Get a cheap one for home: https://www.dentalplanet.com/x-ray-e...CABEgLdvPD_BwE

Amazingly, people in other countries -- almost all of which have socialized medicine and/or socialized insurance with highly regulated medicine -- live long and useful lives. https://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunr.../#7a03c90e576f http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publ.../mirror-mirror We're dead last compared to a dozen commie-socialist countries.

Jay - does looking at the seating capacity of the waiting area for that MRI clinic not ring a very loud bell? And exactly what do you think that MRI's do? They were developed to display interior muscle composition and they really aren't very effective without contrast material injected into the proper area.

There are two and a half times as many doctors per 100,000 people in the US as in Japan. Three times what Great Britain has. Twenty times the doctors per 100,000 in Thailand.


So what? I go to the hospital and there are English speaking doctors
there and I don't have to wait an unendurable length of time to see
them.

Is it better in the U.S.? when you walk in and are seen immediately?
Does the nurse come out in the hall and drag you kicking and screaming
into the office?


What in God's name makes you think that people go through years and years of training to make almost nothing under socialized medicine?

You quite obviously don't know what you are talking about as (1) a
doctor in government service in Thailand make a very comfortable
living and (2) those that work in private hospitals make a fortune and
(3) a great many doctors that work in government hospitals have
private clinics which they open in the evenings.

No matter HOW cheap it is, if you cannot find a competent doctor to treat you you have nothing.

In the past many doctors in Thailand were trained in England or the
U.S. and if a specialist were usually "board certified" in the country
that they trained in. Now:

There are 22 medical schools located in the country, and the majority
of them are public and state-funded. The first medical school in
Thailand was founded in the late 1880s at the Siriraj Hospital, a
teaching hospital that remains one of the most highly reputable
medical schools in the region.

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Cheers,

John B.