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Old January 4th 19, 05:03 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 3:44:38 PM UTC-8, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 11:29:02 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 5:02:57 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/2/2019 3:53 PM,
wrote:
On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 1:46:12 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 1:08:28 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 6:23:18 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 5:01:16 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 7:55:57 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
Jay Beattie says: " This is what the government would have proved at trial."

Really? Surely you mean "This is what the government CLAIMS it would have proved at trial." The Mueller team of Democrat donors first bankrupted General Flynn and then threatened to go after his son if he didn't roll over. There's a very large difference between extorting a confession from someone by threats to his family, and proving whatever he confesses to under duress in a contested case in court. Surely they taught you that much at college? If not, you should ask for your tuition to be returned.

This "Russia Dossier -- Mueller Special Counsel Investigation" will go down in history as the most corrupt series of incidents in all of American history.

Top-posting is a federal offense.

Kiss my ass.

Happy new year Andre!

Since I don't live in PDX, I wish you a year in which you can put up your hourly rate to a thousand dollars.

Things slow down at the pulp (fiction) mill?

Nah. The press got taken over by one of the Big Three, precisely for the literary quality of its writers, and everyone got well to several factors of capital gains, which attracts a lower tax rate, as I'm sure you keep telling your clients from Big Oil.

I know how disappointing it can be to actually look at a transcript where an intelligent, high level official represented by the greatest (over-priced) legal talent in the United States cops a plea in open court -- after ten minutes of admonitions and specifically states under oath that the plea is voluntary and not coerced. Recall that the plea was to lying and not the underlying (possible) Logan Act violation or other federal law violations. We'll learn about that later when the Mueller report is issued. Flynn lied, got caught and got prosecuted. It's pretty simple. He'll get probation or maybe a suntan opportunity at Club Fed. BTW, all criminal investigations are coercive, and when you lie and get caught, you're just throwing gasoline on the fire. Nixon and Clinton proved that point.

-- Jay Beattie.

Oh, I read that when it first became available via NR's Andy McCarthy, I think. I'm a sucker for reading deceptively nuanced prose. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I wasn't disappointed at all. It reads to me, as I expected, like a wholelotta "intelligent, high level officials" -- what was it that judge said again, ah, yes --"composing". And certainly what they're composing isn't music.

Funny thing: the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn first said he hadn't lied. It was Mueller, who wasn't in the room, who decided that after all he was lying, and disappeared the agents' original reports, and wiped their phones, for which one hopes he will be held to account. Funny thing, that sequence, but only if your sense of justice is blunted. (Well, or if you're a lawyer who doesn't believe in the concept of exculpatory evidence.)

AJ
Who will watch the watchers?

While Lyndon Johnson was in the Oval office he was so well thought of as of his honesty that the 89th Congress passed the Freedom of Information Act. Funny how it has been the strong point in showing the people in this country what Democrats really are.


FOIA was authored by a Democrat, John Moss, from CALIFORNIA 3rd District. It revised provision that had been in the APA since 1946, and Moss had worked for 12 years to get it through congress. It passed through the 89th congress -- through a house and senate both controlled by Democrats. It was signed by a Democratic president. How much more Democratic can you make a piece of legislation.

Interestingly, President Ford opposed amendments in 1974 that form the back-bone of the current FOIA. His veto was overridden by congress:

Following the Watergate scandal, President Gerald R. Ford wanted to sign FOIA-strengthening amendments in the Privacy Act of 1974, but White House Chief of Staff Donald Rumsfeld and deputy Dick Cheney were concerned about leaks. Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel Antonin Scalia advised the bill was unconstitutional and even telephoned the CIA asking them to lobby a particular White House staffer. President Ford was persuaded to veto the bill on October 17, 1974, according to documents declassified in 2004. However, on November 21, the lame-duck Congress overrode President Ford's veto, giving the United States the core Freedom of Information Act still in effect today, with judicial review of executive secrecy claims.

Scalia remained highly critical of the 1974 amendments, writing years later that "It is the Taj Mahal of the Doctrine of Unanticipated Consequences, the Sistine Chapel of Cost-Benefit Analysis Ignored." Scalia particularly disliked the availability of judicial review, decrying that if "an agency denies a freedom of information request, shazam!—the full force of the Third Branch of the government is summoned to the wronged party's assistance."

-- Jay Beattie.

Why are you insinuating that because it was passed by Democrats (from a state that was STRONGLY Republican) that it hasn't been the Democrats who have been exposed FAR more than Republicans. Funny thing of where the nations dishonesty really lies.


And yet the administrative powers (aka 'deep State') plod
along on their own inscrutable path.

One small example-
JW secured and published last spring that Rosenstein's
signature is on the FISA warrant, which requires that he had
read and understood it yet in his (JW again) emails he wrote
that he had not.

Yes, the sound you hear is crickets. Voters don't care,
prosecutors ignore all this because voters don't care, Flynn
has already been deprived of competent counsel[1] and so
here we are.

More poignantly, Flynn is not charged with any wrongful
acts, merely 'lying to the FBI', contents/subject not
disclosed. Comey bragged about catching Flynn off guard,
without counsel or preparation. Although the word
'entrapment' was not printed it was implied. To quote a
famous person in re 'lying to the FBI', "If I walked in and
said 'good day' but it was raining someplace they'd have me
right there." And so it was for Flynn.

And a larger example-
Officers of the United States conspired and participated in
the spoliation of evidence[2] (beyond FOIA even) under
subpoena in the Uranium One and Benghazi matters. Ms
Clinton's staff were given blanket immunity and then even
suddenly counsel (meaning she could sit in on FBI interviews
and more importantly not give evidence on her own acts in
both matters and their coverup)

JW tries but FOIA is resisted/ignored with impunity by the
swamp. Hell, IRS still hasn't produced FOIA materials from
the 1st Amendment violations of Lois Lerner. Don't hold your
breath.

And finally there's plenty of inscrutable to go around. The
President can declassify anything and many people (including
me) think he ought to declassify and publish all materials
on the Flynn and DNC-Steele dossier. Yet he has not.
Conspiracy theorists can jump in here.


[1]He has limited rights and besides has been bankrupted
already. The process is the punishment; no jurors or
confrontation of his accusers.

[2] Erasure of State Department documents under subpoena,
their backups, the devises themselves, physically, by FBI
agents.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Andrew, in large part the sound of crickets is because

the major media purposely will not expose what happened. JW and Fox
seem to be the only ones and Fox really doesn't have the wherewithal
to really chase these things down.

"Fox really doesn't have the wherewithal"?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/09/fox-...s-q3-2018.html
"Fox reported earnings of:
Cable network programming: $4.42 billion
Television: $1.15 billion
Filmed entertainment: $2.24 billion


cheers,

John B.


Well, there is no hope for you that is for sure. You have never worked a real job have you? From the Military you went straight into a White Man's Job.. From your comments that's for certain.
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