Op 27-4-2012 21:57, Duane schreef:
On 04/27/2012 03:17 PM, SMS wrote:
On 4/27/2012 12:04 PM, Duane wrote:
On 04/27/2012 01:08 PM, SMS wrote:
On 4/27/2012 9:48 AM, Arthur Shapiro wrote:
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I told him to go with a Habanero titanium with Shimano 105.

Habanero is the obvious choice, and one can still purchase them
without the
arguably-silly threadless headsets.

That's true, but since the threaded forks and headsets have become
almost a boutique item, it now costs more for threaded. A threaded
headset and fork are preferable of course, but I don't think he'd pay
two hundred dollars more for it. You can correct the biggest problem
with threadless headsets with some after-market devices, i.e. see
http://www.octagoncycles.com/ and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oQYbZeQW0M.

For his riding, the Surly Pacer would be ideal, and still about $600
less than the Habanero even once he had the crankset changed to a
triple.

I believe that the Bianchi CRO-Moly bikes are still non-compact frames.
http://www.bianchiusa.com/bikes/road/

They've wrecked those too. Not quite compact, but "modified."

Even the steel ones toward the bottom? Looking at the Volpe, the frame
looks very similar to my Volpe from 1994.



The toptube is also slightly sloped. Some people qualify that as
'wrecked' and limiting their choice enormously.

Lou