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Old February 13th 07, 05:21 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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Kernix wrote:
On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
\On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb"
wrote:
Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail
system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on
Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty
tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more
photos and the BCT website click below
http://www.spokejunkies.com/forum/in...showtopic=5095
Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat,
especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to
call yourselves "environmentalists"?!

Doesn't it burn you up? How
about knowing you're
absolutely powerless to stop
it? How about knowing the
world laughs at you?


Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different? You're talking
about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker,
mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't
bikers enjoy the outdoors. I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club
maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion
has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches,
bushes, etc. How is this any different?

Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make
new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the
impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but
that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down
trees.

And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area),
DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined
trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to
no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much
more overall damage.

You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness!


We never said it was. Try
reading some threads around
here. . . I'm also many of the
things above, and the problem
with MV is not that we don't
share, but that we enjoy at all.
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