On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 12:05:49 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 10:21:59 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 8:02:28 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 5:39:10 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/frame-b...oses-for-good/

This is like those stories of golden-age Hollywood actors dying. My first reaction was "I thought they were dead already." Hmmmm.

I could never get myself to buy a bike with a wrap-around stay with the letters "BJ" stamped in it. https://randalputnam.files.wordpress...mer-81-p-2.jpg
(The proto-Nashbar catalog). There are some really nice Jacksons out there, but when I started buying nice steel frames in the early '70s, they were just a little out of step and dated feeling. That was my first impression, and it stuck with me. Odd how we develop these prejudices. I did like the switch to fastback stays.
Bob Jackson and Mercian were the two best handling steel bikes I ever rode. I don't know what problem you had with the seat stays wrapping around the seat tube. The problem was that the good Bob Jackson's made from Reynolds 853 were so hard to find that you couldn't get one except new. Everyone that owned on wouldn't turn loose of them.

Sometimes your stupidity and cluelessness astounds me. Now is one of those times.

"I don't know what problem you had with the seat stays wrapping around the seat tube."
I understand you have no degree but even an uneducated person is usually able to put 2+2 together and figure things out. What are Bob Jackson's initials? What is printed/engraved on the wrap around seatstays of Bob Jackson frames? What other activity (its sexual) uses Bob Jackson's initials? Think about it.

Reynolds 853 was not released until 1995. I suspect Bob Jackson made 99%+ of all the frames it ever made long before 853 came into existence. So saying "the good Bob Jackson's made from Reynolds 853" is just dumb.

And to answer his questions, I didn't like the aesthetic of wrap-around seat stays with a suggestive "BJ" on them, although if you read it backwards, it would be "JB," and I'd have a monogramed bike. I didn't like the filigree and pin-striping and paint of the era. It had a Victorian vibe, and I liked Italiano back then -- and the slick American frames, like this one: http://www.classicrendezvous.com/USA...lman-Jones.htm

RIP, Bruce. I saw an even earlier version in a So Cal shop and was mesmerized.

In the 70s, any straight bike with the same geometry and the same materials rode the same -- or at least I couldn't tell the difference. The mid-priced Italian frames were practically fungible. If Pinarello ran out, they could probably respray some frames from Olmo. You had to get a Rigi to really distinguish yourself, or an electric drill. https://farm8.static.flickr.com/7395...3d034ea25f.jpg

-- Jay Beattie.