On 11/5/2017 6:05 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 12:13:08 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/5/2017 10:45 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 8:06:40 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/4/2017 4:48 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per AMuzi:
The fact that it was not a mortal wound is
accidental. And incidental, actually, as he did stop the
threat to human life which is the standard here.

If that is the case, it's disappointing.

OTOH, at least he didn't empty his magazine into the guy.

Ever since the Boston Marathon debacle, I've had a weed up my butt about
cops blowing guys like that away before they can be properly
"Debriefed".


WTF? I suspect you 'misremembered' that.

Tamerlan Trarnayev died of blunt trauma, run over by his
own idiot brother while in a gunfight with police (following
multiple murders and maimings by explosive and the stealth
murder of a police officer in his squad car).

p.s. I'll bet you real money that said idiot brother,
Dzhokhar, sentenced to death, will die of something else
after a lengthy stay on the taxpayer's dime.

Federal tax payers for the supermax in Colorado. Confinement in a state
prison might have expedited the sentence -- not that I'm in favor of
shower-room justice, not much.

He's entitled to his appeals, if he takes any. Then we have to agonize
about getting the right lethal drugs. What amazes me is that so many
things are fatal, yet we can't kill people right. Secobarbital and
pentobarbital seem to do the trick for the death with dignity folks
here in Oregon. We chloroformed our sick and dying pets when I was a
kid, and that seemed to work fine. What's with all the failed cocktails?

-- Jay Beattie.


Every state and the Feds spend some amount of effort, time
and money to burn seized Heroin and related contraband. They
sorta make a half hearted effort to explain that these
things are dangerous. In fact a few hundred USAians per day
discover the fatal dosage for their own body weight
empirically. Yet States with a putative death penalty bemoan
'lack' of lethal drugs.
http://time.com/29345/oklahoma-lethal-injection-drugs/

There's a ridiculous mental block about connecting those dots.

Meanwhile, some condemned prisoners dislike needles:
http://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state...on-alternative

and as you implied some crimes get addressed differently
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/29/us...-prison.html71

It's been pointed out by others that the most humane version of the death
penalty might be a single bullet to the brain stem from behind. As far as we
know, it's instantaneous, probably much faster than the guillotine. I don't
know why that's not considered the default method.

- Frank Krygowski

I think one issue with that approach is that it's not necessarily very
humane to the guy pulling the trigger (although I suspect there would be
somebody willing to do that job for the right amount of money). I guess
that's one field where a bit of automation might be helpful.


Hence the traditional firing squad with one blank cartridge
in the squad. Mr Barone hints at the larger effect of the
simpler method:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/nkvd.jpg

You don't want people to get inured to execution such that
it seems ordinary.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971