On Thu, 24 May 2018 20:34:12 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. writes:

I think that you are getting all tangled up in
definitions. Try the Blayley's site. I think in one
description The Fixie Pixie (the female member of
the team) describes a Brevet Bike (what you are
calling a Randonneuring Bike) as "reliable and
comfortable has enough storage capacity that you can
carry what you need for the distance and conditions
(including clothes and tools) and/or store what you
no longer need, and since the longer brevets require
lights and usually involve sustained night riding,
a bike used for longer brevets should have reliable
long-lasting lights". Which might equally well
describe a long distance touring bike :-)

I'm getting all tangled up? Because that's what
*I* said, basically

Your just posted questions about the Fuji touring bike is an example.
Whoopee! Real Elios 2CrMo! But in a quick perusal of the Fuji site I
found no technical specs of the frame tube sets. So how great is it?
(In comparison have a look at the upper end of the Columbus tube sets
where they list the chemical and physical specs of each of the
available tubes. In some cases where the heat treatment is critical
specific temperatures and times (where required) are listed.

Some years ago a guy got together with a custom frame maker and they
built two frames. One from a specific tube maker's top end tube sets
and a second from the same tube maker's lowest end stuff. If memory
serves the only physical difference in the two frames was the color.
Pink in one case and blue in the other.

They when the frames were completed they built two bicycles and gather
a group of the most vocal pundits to evaluate them.

What they discovered was that there was no consistency whatsoever in
the evaluations. One mob would pick the "low end" tube set bike and
rave about the road holding and great ride while a second mob would be
writing an equally enthusiastic report about the great ride and
unbelievably great cornering of the frame built from the "high end
stuff".

Ask Frank for the details if you are interested as I believe he
maintains a file of that sort of information :-)
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Cheers,

John B.